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Is SEO/PPC a Religion or a Cult?

ed.brooks

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I’ve been watching many savvy automotive digital marketers dividing themselves into two camps. One side follows “Gurus†and seems to think the other side is inherently evil. The only path to salvation from this evil is by becoming part of the religion, part of the cult.

Of course the “evil†in this little analogy has to be the Third Party Lead Providers and the Classified Sites. The path to salvation is SEO or PPC or a combination of both. In the spirit of full disclosure, I need to state up front that I spent ten years helping build AutoTrader.com into the powerhouse it is today. We felt that were battling evil as well. Our evil was print. Dealers were spending huge sums of money on newspapers with zero accountability and no ability to track results or even page views. Dealers advertised in print simply because everyone else did it, and they felt they “had†to be in the paper.


AutoTrader.com started by charging very little for the service. We were unproven. We had a relatively small number of eyeballs. The only way I could get a dealer to even speak with me was to mention that we were a sister company of Manheim Auctions. Manheim gave me a little credibility. Our parent company, Cox Enterprises, had deep pockets and the foresight to understand this was the future of classified advertising. They opened up the wallet and through an aggressive, cutting edge marketing campaign turned AutoTrader.com into a well-known national brand.


Consumers loved the ability to compare dealers and inventory side-by-side. Dealers were selling cars and before long they realized the internet was a much more efficient use of advertising dollars than print. As we became established and proven, rates went up. As we became a household name, traffic went up – lots. Was there some arrogance and hubris? I think the answer is yes. Were there growing pains? Could service sometimes have been better? Yes and yes.


To ATC’s credit they realized that dealers were getting angry. They stopped the rate increases (they haven’t had one in 3 years now) and increased the service. They are working at rebuilding trust.


Now here’s the question: Are they evil? Most dealers that I’ve dealt with have replaced their print advertising (in full or in part) with online classifieds. Even dealers on the most robust and aggressive programs are still spending only a fraction of what they used to spend on print. A full month of advertising on AutoTrader.com and Cars.com, combined, often costs less than what a single, one day, full page ad cost in many major dailies 10 years ago.


This is the “evil†the SEO cult is fighting. I’ve heard some folks state that if they just spent enough time on optimization and enough money on Gurus, they could dump the greedy classified sites. The problem is the consumers love the side-by-side comparison the classified sites offer. Until Google returns used car listings in an easy-to-sort “Shopping Results†format, consumers will continue to see Cars.com and AutoTrader.com as THE used car search engines.


Not all SEO/PPC advocates are part of the cult. Let me be clear: there are reputable SEO experts and many of them post here. There is a solid place for SEO and PPC campaigns, especially on new cars. A strong, well-designed SEO/PPC strategy can replace the new car leads many dealers are still purchasing from the third party lead brokers. I fully believe that a dealer needs a comprehensive online strategy that includes Classified Sites, SEO/PPC and Social Media. But I would strongly caution any dealer against putting all their eggs in one basket.
It seems like the strongest, most successful dealers, are the ones that don't choose either camp, but rather work to achieve a good balance in their online marketing programs.

If I were a dealer and heard any guru tell me that if I spent enough time and money on his plan, I’d be saved from the evil classifieds, I’d be leery. In fact, if I heard anyone actually call themselves a guru, I’d run the other way.

The views expressed here are my own and do not necessarily reflect the views of any former, current or future employers or employees of mine.
 
Ed,

Dealers are pissed but Talk is free, actions tell it all.

Actions:
Dealers are moving away from print, but not 3rd party classified sites. Everything else is just...

Talk:
Talk maybe free but it has value, it can warn 3rd party classified sites that Action is coming.

Dealers are bitching about fees from 3rd party classified sites for a variety of reasons, and they fall into these classes: Pioneers, Stealth Shoppers, ROI and Ads in our ads
  • The Pioneers that had advertised on 3rd party classified sites (before everyone else woke up) enjoyed a gigantic ROI due to low ad rates and little dealer competition. Pioneers bitch because those days are gone and everything they measure traces back to the good ol days.

  • Stealth Shoppers are can be seen in the stats, but hard to trace to the lot. 3rd party classified sites should make a bold effort to create merchandising hooks to get the "Silent Majority" to come out of their fox hole (I've got 300 ideas on how that can happen ;-) If they get this done, they'll turn on the light to guide dealers to new revenue opportunities.

  • ROI and the screaming mad dealer. Hey, lets not sugar coat it. The days of big as* profits are gone and 3rd party classified sites are partly to blame. Increasing ad rates while margins get tighter (for MANY MANY reasons) is just a warning of our pain.


All the bitching traces back to these points. The call for PPC and SEO to replace 3rd party classified sites is little more than frustrated dealers trying to find another path to traffic and profits.
 
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All the bitching traces back to these points. The call for PPC and SEO to replace 3rd party classified sites is little more than frustrated dealers trying to find another path to traffic and profits.

You hit the nail on the head Joe, so I'll second that. It was purely due to reacting to a third-party site that Brian Pasch was hired to help Checkered Flag. And that is what I hear from a lot of other dealers too.
 
Ed,

Dealers are pissed but Talk is free, actions tell it all.

Actions:
Dealers are moving away from print, but not 3rd party classified sites. Everything else is just...

Talk:
Talk maybe free but it has value, it can warn 3rd party classified sites that Action is coming.

Dealers are bitching about fees from 3rd party classified sites for a variety of reasons, and they fall into these classes: Pioneers, Stealth Shoppers, ROI and Ads in our ads...

...All the bitching traces back to these points. The call for PPC and SEO to replace 3rd party classified sites is little more than frustrated dealers trying to find another path to traffic and profits.

Joe, you certainly nailed the 4 main complaint categories - I know I heard them all over the years! I think one of the things you and I agree on is that pre-owned success online hinges on getting as many eyeballs on as many quality Vehicle Detail Pages (VDPs) as possible. Online Classifieds, SEO and PPC are all tools to generate VDPs. My sense is all three appeal to slightly different retail buyers.

Unless a dealership is lucky enough to have an in-house SEO expert, all three are going to cost money. If it were me, I'd have a balanced and diverse online marketing plan utilizing Online Classifieds, SEO and PPC. I'd monitor and track all three areas closely. Most importantly, I'd suggest regular meetings with your consultant, whether it be your Online Classified salesperson or your carefully chosen, professional SEO/PPC expert. I'd also ask dealers to recognize that success in these three areas won't come without some work. None of them are a 'Silver Bullet' that guarantees turn-key success without dealer input and effort.


And none will convert to a sale without quality content on the VDP. The right cars at the right price with great comments, pictures and video.


The views expressed here are my own and do not necessarily reflect the views of any former, current or future employers or employees of mine.
 
How Getting Overly Obsessed with Search Engine Optimization Can Kill Your Online Business

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There's a great article in Search Engine Journal titled "How Getting Overly Obsessed with Search Engine Optimization Can Kill Your Online Business" by Sadaqut Khan.

Mr Khan is an
SEO professional and he's advising website operators not to get caught up in the cult. Mr. Khan writes on "how SEO syndrome can hurt your website in due course."

I'd recommend everyone read his full piece piece, linked above, but he talks about three mistakes that can hurt your website:


  1. Listening more to some SEO nerd rather than listening to your customers.
  2. Wasting time on things that hardly matter
  3. Spending all the time and resources on optimization and not on conversion.
Again, I think balance is the key and it seems Mr. Kahn does as well. He ends his piece with, "Search engine optimization alone is not going to cut it for you. Internet business profitability is measured by the number of sales and not rankings, which brings us back to the long-winded point of this article i.e. 'getting overly obsessed with the rankings will kill your online business'."
 
Ed, I saw an interesting cartoon, that I unfortunately can't find right now, but it said something like "You're a Social Media Specialist? So Am I!" A year ago, SEO Gurus and Specialists were few, but now everyone is a Guru or specialist.

Kind of lost its glimmer. At least, IMO.
 
Joe - good post. As a SEM/SEO "guru" and also ex-online advertising executive, I will say that anyone looking out for the best interest of their customer (in this case the dealer) would be wise enough not to sell mediums vs. mediums. Dealers and Marketers alike, through all the BS they are fed, tend to forget that ADVERTISING should be bought where the CONSUMERS are.

AutoTrader.com and Cars.com are where people search for vehicles. Google (as you say until they decide to server up vehicle listings) is where people search for dealerships.

Dollars and efforts should be focused accordingly.
 
Re: How Getting Overly Obsessed with Search Engine Optimization Can Kill Your Online Business

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There's a great article in Search Engine Journal
... he talks about three mistakes that can hurt your website:

  1. Listening more to some SEO nerd rather than listening to your customers.
  2. Wasting time on things that hardly matter
  3. Spending all the time and resources on optimization and not on conversion.
Again, I think balance is the key and it seems Mr. Kahn does as well. He ends his piece with, "Search engine optimization alone is not going to cut it for you. Internet business profitability is measured by the number of sales and not rankings, which brings us back to the long-winded point of this article i.e. 'getting overly obsessed with the rankings will kill your online business'."

I totally agree Ed.

You don't SEO for SEO's sake, you SEO to drive traffic into your selling machine (website). If you haven't optimized your web site to produce the highest possible conversions, then every dollar and every hour spent on SEO is burdened with a suckass web site that lets shoppers walk!! So why bother SEO if you havn't optimized the traffic you already have? Heck, go further up the food chain and it all begins and ends with inventory, if a dealer has an inventory mix that no-one wants... NOTHING MATTERS... all is a waste.

Here is the food chain as I see it.


  1. A great management team with the support to grow as needed
  2. The right Inventory at the right price
  3. The Right sales staff with the right support & training
  4. A great dealer brand
  5. A great web site (great conversion rates)
  6. A good facility and franchise in a good location
SEO, Social Media, is no where on the radar. It fits my attitude about Social Media. "Get your house in order before you form a Social Media Campaign".

Few organizations are as well oiled as Eric's AuctionDirectUSA or Alex's old CheckeredFlag, that's why they are awesome outliers to study.