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iMotors leads and my review and experience X2!!

Jeff Kershner

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I "usually" keep my negative opinions to myself. BUT there are times where I find the need to take my voice above the boundaries.

When I first started here at Mercedes-Benz of Hagerstown, I quickly jumped on board with a few 3rd party lead vendors to get the ball rolling. For some reason or another I brought iMotors (division of Reply Inc.) on board. Two months using their service I found myself spending more time managing duplicates and bad leads then actually following up and selling to qualified buyers. I quickly realized that it was not making sense keeping iMotors (Reply Inc.) on board as a 3rd party lead provider for my dealer. So I axed them!!

Then last year, (Sept 2006) I started getting phone calls from one of their sales representatives again. I’ll have to admit, she had a sweet voice!! She called and called, convincing me that they had changed their “lead filtering software” since I had past used their services. Matter of fact, they even had a higher-up sales manager call to re-enforce the fact that they had made vast improvements in their process and software for filtering qualified leads. Now..I’m not a fool and I didn’t bite right away!! BUT “she” kept calling me! You know what it’s like to get that phone call that stimulates the ears. And I have to admit, I can be such a sucker. I’ll buy anything from a persistent sales person that can follow-up and be so convincing. Before I knew it I was signed up with iMotors..again.

So I don’t sound like such a sucker here, I’ll let you know that I worked the price down to a very persuasive cost per lead, AND since we wanted to have a strong end of the year push, I was biting on anything that made sense.

Before signing the agreement, I informed the sales lady that I ran a website and IF this time proved to be a flop, I would write about it (hence the reason for this posting). So…2 months back into using iMotors, it wasn’t setting the world on fire (but then again what 3rd party lead does?). I have an effective follow up process established here at the dealer so no one could accuse me of not following up with each and every lead. The end of the year was approaching and by then we had 1 credit sales for iMotors. The crazy part was; the gross was very considerably high, so I continued on with the service.

BUT by the end of February I found myself back in the same boat that I was in the first time using iMotors, too much time following up with duplicates and bullshit leads. I was getting leads for cars that no longer
existed in the Mercedes model line. Now, one could argue and say; “Jeff…you need to call every customer and ignore the car they are requesting a price quote on”. Well, I was and always do!! We were calling every customer and totally ignoring the vehicle of interest that was quoted on the lead. BUT the problem was most of the phone numbers were bogus or no longer in service. Complete total CRAP!!

Throughout the course of Jan, Feb and March, we sold 1 more credit sale for iMotors (again a decent gross), but it came to a point where it was not worth the time and effort to keep them around. The ROI on paper was making sense, but when you factored in my time and energy, my sales peoples time, the confidence in the service, it was not justifiable. So I AGAIN axed them!
The positive points were; the customer service was nothing less then great. They willingly credited every lead I asked to have credit for. The 2 cars that I sold during the period of using iMotors (again) were very lofty. BUT, it became too much for me to manage every month. The time that I spent following up with bogus leads and getting credit for these leads was costing me too much time and money at the end of the month.

I’m not saying iMotors will not work for your dealer. I’m merely pointing out that it didn’t work for my dealer on 2 separate occasions. I’ve taken the liberty to post my last 3 months of leads I received from iMotors (erasing the customer last name) with the current “status” each customer was in at the time of this posting. You can see most of them are marked “Bad Lead” and believe me I’m being generous. Several of the leads are in limbo/working status and I’m still not sure if they are real people or not.

Sorry iMotors, but I gave you fair warning.

 
I had the exact same experience with IMotors. Thank God my contract expires today.

I had already decided to drop them, but just last week something interesting happened.

I received a lead from the guy that does our phone systems here. I called and asked him what site he went through (since it's a big secret where the leads come from) to submit a lead.

The suprise. He didn't know anything about it. He received an email asking him if he wanted to know what his trade was worth and filled out that form. And then it came through as a lead. Is this terrible or what?

Anyway. Thanks for the article and have a great holiday.

-Warren

Warren Newland, E-Commerce Manager
Clair Auto Group, Clair Acura
 
Hmm... from the screen shot it looks like you are working in two separate systems. Are you not automatically importing the leads into your CRM and then having the CRM validate the phone number, email (via domain) and then setting up some logic to validate the user input through Bayesian classifier... etc. Granted this should have been done on iMotors.com end...

It is not really a secret how these lead generators are really getting the leads... it is mostly done through PPC... I think autos.reply.com (carclub, openauto) runs ppc program that contains about 3400 keywords... see www.keywordcompete.com

Regards,
Farooq
 
Hello Jeff,

Thank you for your feedback on your recent experience with leads from iMotors and the opportunity to respond. Our account records for your dealership show you were provided with 51 leads over 90 days. Of those leads you requested and were given credits on 25 of them. Your account manager indicates you were successful developing 2 of the 26 leads you actually paid for into sales. I agree you had some duplicates. Most dealerships are well aware that many online consumers will attempt to get dealer quotes through multiple sources and duplicate prevention is difficult to do. That being said, as you experienced we are happy to issue credits when duplicates occur.

So if I may summarize your articles critique of iMotors:

 You spent less than $500 for 26 leads
 You sold 2 vehicles that held very good gross
 You received friendly and professional client service that happily accommodated your service requests

I regret this did not represent enough ROI to retain you as a customer. Our objective is to deliver each of our over 1,000 dealer clients the best online sales opportunities possible. The great majority of these dealers have been happy with their ROI and their experience with iMotors and I hope none of them feel like “suckers”. We will continue to work hard for our valued dealer clients and recognize that the dealers ROI combined with great service is essential for our success. We wish you the best in your ongoing search for those perfect leads that all answer your first call and actually want the vehicle you have in stock, we will continue to try to develop the same.

Good luck Jeff!

David Greene
EVP, Sales & Service Operations
 
Farooq,

The screen shot I have posted is an actual report from my CRM (eLead evolution). My leads do automatically import and the emails are validated.

Other validations need to be done at the vendors level. That's what I'm them paying for.
 
David,

Thank you for reading DealerRefresh and for your comments.

As I had mentioned and you re-enforced, iMotors customer service was never less then great. My customer service rep willingly credited each and every lead I asked for.

You stated; "Our objective is to deliver each of our over 1,000 dealer clients the best online sales opportunities possible." I think we'll to have to agree to disagree on this. If you research on how some of these leads are generated, I think you will quickly see why, as an Internet sales manager, it would be hard for me to agree.

Yes, we did sell 2 cars from 26 good leads and the ROI on paper did make sense BUT 25 out of 51 leads is more then a "few" bad leads. When I say bad leads, I'm not referring to duplicates, I'm talking about bogus numbers, invalid emails and leads from more then a few customers that stated to me that they never requested information for a Mercedes-Benz (don't get me wrong, many customers do lie or just forget what they sometimes inquire about on the internet but this happened more then a few times).

My point being, filtering through all the bad leads became very discouraging and was taking too much valuable time (many times not finding out if a lead was truly a BAD LEAD until the 7th or 10th follow-up phone call). After so many bad leads anyone would eventually become discouraged.

As I usually state and will reinstate, what works or does not work at my dealer does not mean every dealer will have the same outcome. I'm only here to share my experiences.

Thanks again David for your comments.

-Jeff
 
Great article Jeff.

While I have not used iMotors, I suspect most any 3rd party lead provider that is not a marquee player like AutoUSA, Dealix, etc have the possibility (likelihood?) of being an operation trying to cash in on the Internet fever.

For example, there are many SEO/SEM companies relying on the customers' ignorance of what services they provide and the value of SEO/SEM. A friend who runs his own SEO/SEM business is constanctly finding some of his competitors are quoting 5 figures a month for an SEM campaign for a plumbing or roofing service or a doctor's practice, simply because the customer doesn't know better. Point of the story is these people are cashing in on the ignorant for a quick buck, and I suspect many lead providers are doing the same thing.
 
One of the primary reasons autoresponders do nothing for a consumer is that the sheer volume of emails hitting an Up's inbox from different dealers simply numbs their interest.

Jeff, I don't know if you've ever mystery shopped through iMotors.com, but if you try it out, you'll find that they send their own promotional crap at least once a day to consumers; that's 14 emails in the first two weeks just coming from the place you submit your lead to... not to mention all the emails you're getting from competing dealers. Here I am shopping their site on purpose for market research, and even I got sick of opening the emails.
 
Mitch,

I know exactly what your talking about. I somehow got on their Reply real estate email list and I would get emails from them at least once a day. It was annoying as hell and it took awhile to for my opt out request to go through. We live and learn.

-Jeff