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When will AI become a Personal Car Shopping Assistant?

Ok, back to the theme of car ppl helping car ppl learn about AI.

ChatGPT has 6 models. I used GPT 4.5 for this car shopping thread. Here's a look at the other models starting with the free model (o3-mini), with each subsequent model compared to it:

o3-mini (Free)

  • Fast, everyday reasoning & basic problem-solving
  • Efficient for scalable tasks and general interactions



PAID: Compared to o3-mini:​


o3-mini-high

  • Adds deeper, more accurate reasoning capability
  • Stronger coding performance on harder problems
  • Ideal for occasional complex tasks needing more depth
  • SPREADSHEETS? Good at detailed, step-by-step spreadsheet reasoning.

GPT-4o

  • Adds multimodal inputs (text, images, audio)
  • More versatile and creative across broad use-cases
  • Stronger coding and reasoning at higher complexity levels
  • Strong at understanding visual inputs (screenshots of spreadsheets).
  • SPREADSHEETS? Excellent at spreadsheet formula creation and troubleshooting.

GPT-4.5

  • Superior creativity and nuanced, human-like writing
  • Latest, cutting-edge knowledge for high-quality outputs
  • Ideal for strategic insights and detailed business content

o1

  • Specializes in deep, meticulous logical reasoning
  • Excellent for complex problem-solving and technical clarity
  • Significantly better reasoning and debugging accuracy
  • SPREADSHEETS? Exceptional at breaking down very complex spreadsheet logic.
  • Superior accuracy in troubleshooting intricate or nested formulas.
  • Ideal for spreadsheets requiring meticulous logic validation.

o1 pro mode

  • Highest accuracy for complex, high-stakes reasoning
  • Meticulous and thorough analysis beyond standard models
  • Ideal for critical, no-room-for-error tasks

 
Latest thing to use:

Need a free chatGPT replacement?
Try this: duck.ai -- duckduckgo ...

It's not bad. It doesn't scan the net but it's good to chat with.

google gemini:
The thinking model they give for free ... does a ton of research. But no actual listing.



Just checked chatGPT 4.5:
Find me the best deal on a 2015 jeep grand cherokee srt in Houston, Tx
1 in Omaha, Nebraska worth driving over a day to and the other 2 going to be a Hemi tick or Hemi water spillage in the driveway condition but are located in Houston.
I'll go back to cargurus to search.

I asked it if it was F'ing stupid.

It gave me 2 listings. one had 182,822 miles on it :woot:

The "best" deal for you will depend on your priorities. The AutoNation listing offers a significantly lower price but has much higher mileage. The Auto Expo option has lower mileage and is considered a fair price by Edmunds. I recommend reviewing the full details of both listings and potentially scheduling a test drive and inspection if you are interested.


Ai will improve. Especially once Google figures out how users will use it for everything and they have figured out how to implement better google ads, things will flip hard. Which dealers will come up first?


the other topic:
Times are changing! The internet, then google, and now AI !! Everything is going to change. Joe and that DJ guy are right! Dealerships are in for a big change.
 
Hi Bill,

Nothing much to tell, I love old cars and grew up around a bunch of old school mechanics.

I'm a programmer, front end developer, and web designer, and on the side I'm a mechanic, body man, and car painter.

I believe with rising interest rates, mass layoffs, the rising cost of vehicles, the lowering of wages, tariffs, electric vehicles being shipped directly to the consumer, rising food prices, rising gas prices, 3rd party sites that don't carry any inventory, and consumers developing a total distrust of dealerships, that the dealerships are in trouble.

I think Elon conned the world, global warming is being used by the rich to get richer, and the divide between the rich and poor will enslave us all.

And I don't care what type of car you drive and you shouldn't care what type of car I drive however since the people pushing EV's want to use the government to force me into a type of car I feel like I need to defend driving what I want to drive, which is really unfair and sad.

I believe congress regularly passes laws that violate common sense!

I believe biometric Authentication, things like eye scans, facial recognition, fingerprints, and other things that are unique to each individual shouldn't be used to identify you because when the company gets hacked they get more than just your password.

I believe private equity firms will destroy any business they come into contact and are to blame for the CDK Global and CrowdStrike hacks.

I believe Musk, isn’t going to recommend eliminating tax loopholes which resulted in the government losing out on at least $1.8 trillion worth of tax revenue in 2023 alone, because most tax loopholes, like the carried interest loophole that reduces taxes for private equity and hedge fund managers disproportionately benefit the rich.

I also doubt Musk will recommend cutting the billions in government contracts and subsidies his corporations receive. Or our bloated military budget that's bigger than the next nine countries’ military budgets combined.

Half of that goes to private defense contractors like Musk's own SpaceX, and StarLink.

Many federal contractors, like Boeing and Raytheon, have histories of price-gouging, largely because they faced little or no competition.

And Musk, of course, won't recommend that Republicans halt their plans to extend Trump's tax cuts, which will add at least $5 trillion to the deficit, and predominantly benefit billionaires like him.

That's more than twice the amount DOGE wants to cut in “wasteful government spending”.

I believe AI is a hoax and anyone killing kids are evil.

And I believe that for dealerships to survive they have to play a new game!

However when companies don’t have competitors like Google, Amazon, YouTube, Facebook, and the like, and everyone around the world is using them, and their destroying business, and aren’t paying taxes...your in trouble.

I Believe Capitalism has been overthrown by barbarism.

And when everyone is forced to go through these platforms to sell their stuff and their getting 40% and didn’t create the content, product, information, or anything to do with the product. When companies like Amazon are making over 42 billion a year and pay zero taxes, you know you’ve got a problem.

The reason they have all the data is because we created it and gave it to them. I believe we need a system that is owned and controlled by the people and that is where the data should go and who should make the money from it and I believe dealerships are about to get eaten alive by it.

There is a certain type of disruption that takes place in absence of innovation. When an industry stagnates and fails to keep up with the needs of their clients, an opportunity is created for someone to completely change the game. That someone usually comes from outside of the industry being disrupted and it is exactly what we are seeing happening with the dealerships but they are asleep, rolling over, showing their bellies, and blaming the consumers.

I Believe The Web Design Industry as a Whole is a MESS!

The only thing worst than not having a website is having a website that is poorly coded, designed, and thought out.

An unfortunate trend has emerged within the industry. Where instead of focusing on producing high-quality code, it’s become about how quickly you can complete the project. This has lead to a decline in the overall coding standards. And a dependency on mass-produced frameworks.

The desire to appeal to as many people as possible has lead to mundane, plain, ordinary designs, where everyone looks the same, stifling creativity and innovation.

98% of websites are full of coding errors, 95% aren't ADA compliant which could get you sued, and the average website takes something like 17 seconds to load.

But no one cares and because of it dealerships will begin to disappear as they hire the very companies they should be competing against to build their websites.

Anyway...nice to meet you all!
Sorry that I'm just now getting to this. Finally got a minute to breathe. Ha. This was more than I bargained for. And I like it!
 
My point was never to attack the dealerships but to try and better understand their thinking because in my humble opinion a bunch of billionaires are going to take over the entire industry and eat the dealerships for lunch in the same manor as they did the real estate agents.

New players have shown up in every country, dominating used car sales and the one thing they all have in common, is the majority do not have any inventory of their own.

This is a platform war and the ones with the best platforms, better marketing, and better performance are winning. And the average dealership website is full of code bloat, errors, bad practices, and takes nearly a minute to load.

As a matter of fact dealerships seem to have accepted their losses and hired their competition to build their sites.

In the future the playing field will look a lot different.

As everything moves online it becomes more competitive and disruptive as Carvana, Roadster, Shift, and Vroom launch price-competitive business models to compete against one another, they will simplify the buying and selling experience for consumers and the dealership will lose more income.

The shift to purchase cars online is already outpacing offline purchases.

As dealers begin to counter with the up-sale of parts-and-service contracts the nimbler high-tech players will introduce new business models and will cause more disruptions.

If the dealerships do nothing they will go out of business.

Dealerships will not be able to compete with the pricing transparency offered by online channels.

Dealerships have already lost the used car sales but they have laws in place that say it’s illegal for any car manufacturer to sell directly to the consumer or open up their own dealership. All dealerships have to be completely private and unrelated to the car manufacturer.

Tesla uses a loophole.

Dealerships have been lobbying against and have even taken Tesla to court on multiple occasions.

However if Tesla is willing to fight court case after court case to avoid using dealerships, something must be wrong with the current dealership model.

A lot of people feel dealerships should never have been given a monopoly on new car sales.

If dealerships make the most business sense for the manufacturer then the manufacturer should be able to choose that model. If selling direct to the consumer makes the most sense, then the manufacturer should be allowed to pursue that strategy.

This should not be something that the government is involved with!

Manufacturers want to fight the law because EVs require a lot less service and to compete with Tesla they need more control over their prices.

And sites like cars.com stand to replace the dealerships if those laws get changed. The very company that controls the dealerships ability to compete online, stands to gain the most if they can’t.

To survive the dealership needs to adopt drastically different business models and pursue new revenue streams.

Dealerships need to be able to compete online with sites like cars.com.

But they need a way to implement their own ideas and goals that go beyond just being a clone of the competition. Dealerships need a website that is able to handle some of the offline work to reduce operating costs via improved operating efficiency.

And while I'm not in the dealership and can't see all the problems the dealerships are dealing with I can see that the dealerships need to pivot and they need to pivot in a way that will allow them to compete with the online players.

My only intentions was to try and shine some light on the problem and bounce different ideas off the people who are going to have to fight this battle, I'm not the hero, guide, or even in the battle, all I'm trying to do is show you that you are in the battle and your time is running out.
I think many, including the OEM's, Amazon, 3rd party sites, etc. have no clue what happens day-to-day in the car business. There are more moving parts than any of them can imagine. That's one of the reasons that I created my thread. So outsiders can see some of the oddball challenges that we run into. And my post are even generalized! If I posted every detail it would stun some people.
 
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I think many, including the OEM's, Amazon, 3rd party sites, etc. have no clue what happens day-to-day in the car business. There are more moving parts than any of them can imagine. That's one of the reasons that I created my thread. So outsiders can see some of the oddball challenges that we run into. And my post are even generalized! If I posted every detail it would stun some people.
Here is an example. Kind of a "small dealer" problem, but still. So my day is going ok. I have some projects "caught up." I actually had the first moment to just take a breath and decompress and catch up with DR. Then a transport driver shows up with 10 new Nissan's. Everyone who might normally check them in is busy. So me and the co-owner go out to do it. While we're going through them, the co-owner gets stopped by a customer to ask about one of the cars that got dropped off. So the other 8 are up to me. And now I have 10 vehicles to get to the lot and get merchandised as quickly as possible.
 
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