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Look-Out AutoTrader and Cars.com, There's a new Guru in Town

I can imagine the howls of indignation if cars or autotrader placed an indicator in dealer's listings saying "this is a fair deal" or "this is a bad deal" like cargurus is doing. As happened when CARFAX started posting its opinion about how much vehicle history adds to or decreases a car's market value, there would be much ballyhooing about killing dealer grosses, not sticking to a core business and trying to get between the dealer and the customer.

Would you advertise in a paper if the publisher insisted on prominently placing their opinion of your pricing in your ads?

Look-Out AutoTrader and Cars.com, There's a new Guru in Town

Good point Joe but in my experience with AutoTrader I have not seen big gains which is why I said they focus on quantity and not quality.

I think my big beef with AutoTrader is that if you dont have premium listings you will NEVER show up first no matter how you price your vehicles or what you do. The premium always shows first.

Like when a consumer searches for a Nissan Altima and I have a featured listing and my competitor has a premium, mine is priced less and is better equipped with less miles and they are both the same year...I lose no matter what bc when the consumer organizes the cars from cheapest to most expensive, they are first though they are more expensive. When the consumer is looking for less miles and organizes the data low to high miles mine is not first even though it does have the cheapest price or it does have the least miles.

This is deceptive and some consumers may not realize that their requested data filter is not ALL vehicles. I can see where AutoTrader benefits bc they can sell these outrageously priced packages and they make out like bandits from it LOL. I however feel differently about my ROI from that $5k per month.

Look-Out AutoTrader and Cars.com, There's a new Guru in Town

If you're hell-bent on REPLACING Autotrader.com's ads with other lead generating opportunities, put together an aggressive Google/Yahoo Pay Per Click campaign, run it for 6 months and see what your lead counts from these PPC ads are like.

My PPC budget is equal to all 3rd party $'s and PPC wins hands down. I know it's not a fair fight. Classified ad shoppers want to remain anonymous AND PPC shoppers are on my site where I can see them. A PPC shopper is on my site, comparing prices to no-one else. That last fact alone has enormous value.

That being said, car shoppers are everywhere! I remain committed to AT and Cars.com because they have a valid business model and it fits our inventory profile.

Look-Out AutoTrader and Cars.com, There's a new Guru in Town

Dawn,

In the internet classifieds biz, The winner is NOT the long tail site, it's the short tail site. Autotrader smacks the ball over the fence with "Used Cars" vs and gives up "Used Toyota Tundra near Flatness Kansas".

Google has one job. To give the searcher a great experience (so you'll come back again). Google defends the top honors to those national sites that offer a great shopper experience. My research tells me that CarGurus.com has what it takes to be a nationwide "Short Tail" car shopping site of authority (aka blessed by Google to be ranked well).

Before you throw AutoTrader under the bus, take a look at how they stack up: http://siteanalytics.compete.com/autotrader.com+c...

Last Month:

autotrader.com 6,917,716

cars.com 2,971,532

cargurus.com 760,390

AT is 2:1 > cars.com and AT is 10:1 greater than cargurus.com... but, thats not the story's theme. CarGurus.com 760k shoppers are all LONG TAILERS and it's well documented (and logical) that Long Tailers are far more committed to a purchase than is a short tailer.

This may explain why Cars.com has 50% less shoppers, but the lead count in my market out-performs AT.

Look-Out AutoTrader and Cars.com, There's a new Guru in Town

You know from what I see here it looks like AutoTrader is not the hottest thing since sliced bread like they claim to be. I dont personally use them but I do know many dealers paying 3-6k per month on it and it appears that they use the more is better instead of quality is better.

Look-Out AutoTrader and Cars.com, There's a new Guru in Town

@Joe

This site has been on my radar screen for months and I commend their SEO and website architectural team on their accomplishments.

As you pointed out, they have a very good core architecture. As you know, I have had my hands busy creating the page design and architecture for the AAN.

If I am not mistaken, I saw an AutoUsa advertisement that lists CarGurus.com as one of the websites that feeds them leads.

I have done some deep dives on this site and will be including them in my fall conference seminars at DD9 and Driving Sales Executive Summit.

Look-Out AutoTrader and Cars.com, There's a new Guru in Town

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Toiling in the trenches, way under the radar, a feisty little automotive internet startup is making all the right moves with its cross-hairs fixed on you, on me and all of us in our industry… the automotive internet/retail industry.

First, a little background...

I am constantly tinkering and improving our site, trying to improve our Google Search Results. 2-3 times a month, I'll do long tail keyword analysis on Google for phrases like "used Ford Taurus near Syracuse NY". I keep seeing this lil-start-up site popping up on Google everywhere and I mean everywhere! “So what!” I murmured to myself… “I see car classified-site wannabes scraping and puking out millions of pages of junk all the time. They appear... then disappear a week later.

But this lil' start-up looked different. This Classified ad site was amazingly thorough in its search results and its pages had depth and effort. Curious, I looked into it's About-Us Page where I found an eye-popping list of 21st century Internet Kingdom builders including the founders of eBay Motors and TripAdvisor! Woa! To say I was impressed was an understatement. From the Board of Directors on down, its pedigree drips with MBA’s and Computer Science engineers from Harvard, MIT, and on.

Then I looked in cities all over the USA and I saw their master plan...

What we have percolating under our feet, is the architecture of the most SEO friendly, robust automotive classified ads site that I’ve ever seen, run by experienced world class Internet entrepreneurs (not newspaper companies). It's time you get to know... www.CarGurus.com.

Let’s look deeper. Way off everyone’s radar, CarGurus.com is working hard to rank for phrases like:

  • used Acura MDX near [city] [state]
  • used Buick Lucerne near [city] [state]
  • used Chevrolet Equinox near [city] [state]
  • used Ford F-150 near [city] [state]

For my market, I ran 100 phrases & here is the Average Position SUMMARY:

1. Cars.com..........6.2
2. CarGurus.com......7.4
3. AutoTrader.com...86.0
4. UsedCars.com.....89.7

WOW! See for yourself, the 100 Google search results I ran are here.

Is CarGurus.com strong in your City? Simply add your city & state with your major market and see for yourself. In AutoTrader’s defense, they rank very well in major markets, but, CarGurus.com is still top 10 in these markets too.

CarGurus.com super dominates local search. Google sees what’s going on. But the "big prize" for CarGurus.com is ranking for a top 3 position for Google's HOT HI-VOLUME short tail terms like:

  • cars used
  • used cars
  • cars for sale
  • cars sale
  • used car
  • used cars sale
  • used cars for sale
  • used vehicles
  • buy cars

On the national stage, CarGurus.com is way off the radar:

1. Cars.com……........13.4
2. AutoTrader.com...15.4
3. UsedCars.com.....23.3
4. CarGurus.com.....91.8

My report for this  is here.

Our business is automotive retail... its LOCAL retail and Google knows it. CarGurus.com is hitting on all cylinders and IMO, IT WON'T BE LONG before Google's quality team manually flags CarGurus.com as an "automotive shopping site of authority". If and when that happens, they'll catapult onto the national stage. If & when that happens, you best have your lead volume caps in place as CarGurus.com will hit critical mass and 3rd party lead counts will blow a hole in your bank account! ;-)

Can it happen? Absolutely.

No one knows what goes on behind closed doors at Google, but, in my exhaustive studies, Google's army of quality control people do oversee and manually override search results. You can bet that Google’s quality control executives personally know all about the stellar work of CEO Langley Steinert and the board members like Simon Rothman, Steve Kaufer and others. IMO, it's only logical for Google to flag CarGurus.com to rank higher for nation-wide terms like “Used Cars”, and when that happens, the shopper counts will go into the stratosphere over night. CarGurus.com is an all-star in the AAA minor leagues… looking to step up to the bigs. One stroke of a Google Keyboard is all it'll take.

It doesn’t end here...Retailers BEWARE! CarGurus.com leads are DANGEROUS.

Visit this CarGurus.com thread in our forum --  Used Cars - CarGurus.com - vAuto and the Travel Industry.  It details the CarGurus.com “marketing hook” where the shopper knows if your price is high or low and by how much. 3rd party resellers HIDE the lead source, so, your lead is a set up for a fire fight on the sales floor. You'll also see an open letter that I sent to Renee Porter, from the partnership division of Cars.com. I am trying to warn Cars.com that leads from CarGurus.com (a cars.com partner) need to be clearly identified as a cargurus.com shopper.  A very in-depth and interesting thread FYI.

Additionally, the CarGurus.com platform needs help with its price comparison tool. Our industry produces very poor used car details and this is the reason why no-one has been able to produce a true blue VIN to VIN shopping tool (GIGO: Garbage IN, Garbage Out).

So, from my seat, CarGurus.com has some internal marketing hooks to perfect, but, its site architecture has no equal. Top rankings on Google are a zero sum game. Look out AutoTrader.com, Cars.com. The Guru is building its empire, one city at a time and if they go national, your iron grip on our marketplace will diminish. CarGuru’s model forces shoppers into producing a lead, its “Marketing hook” helps reinforce the confidence needed to submit a lead. Your dealers will notice a “butt-load” of leads from CarGurus.com partners and comparatively little from you. To maintain share, you'll need to spend more on TV and tinker with new lead generating tools and wrestle with more dealer unrest as the new comer’s pay for performance model and its leads are eating into your dealer’s budgets.

2011 is going to be very interesting indeed.

Build Customer Loyalty with an Advisory Board

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A Great Way to Build Customer Retention and Loyalty

Dealer Advisory Boards are a regular tool used by Automotive Vendors to maintain relationships with their top clients and to keep them engaged in the service they provide. Autotrader.com, for instance, has a great Dealer Advisory forum that they use to gauge customer satisfaction and product effectiveness. It is also a launching point for new ideas and services. Generally if their top clients don’t like it, neither will the masses. Autotrader.com not only gains valuable feedback from the dealer perspective through these meetings, but also strengthens the relationship they have with their major client base; which builds loyalty and retention.

So why not extend this idea to your best dealership customers as well?

A Dealership Advisory Board is a “soft value” add-on that is beneficial to both your excellent clients and to you. Unlike giving away free oil changes (which we all know is no guarantee of future customer pay labor) this added value creates and strengthens the relationship you have with your most important commodity, your Regular Customers.

These meetings, held up to twice a year allow your customers to impact “their” dealership, especially when they enjoy the changes their feedback initiates. The “partnership” between the DAB and the Dealership becomes long lasting and you will be surprised at the level of ownership your customers will take of the dealership after participating.

The DAB is a win-win because not only do you gain valuable feedback to help you improve your process for all your customers, but you also gain the best advertising anywhere- REFERRALS!

The best customers to choose for your first DAB should be your most loyal ones. Avoid the negative customer at first; those can be folded into the mix later. Try to find customers who have prominent positions in the community if possible. One dealer advisory board I managed had the head of the Pilots Union on it. That one person had the potential to reach literally thousands of other pilots, flight attendants, luggage handlers, ect.

Be sure to create an environment that is enjoyable and make your best customers feel appreciated. Gift bags are a great way to end the meeting. You can fill them with coupons, branded give-aways and a special gift like an i-pod or planner. Remember this is only 2x per year- so make it impressive.

Always remember to keep it positive and accept the criticism well. Most importantly, act on the feedback you receive. All your customers will be thankful for it!

Have you ever considered having a Dealer to Customer Advisory Board at your dealership?

2010 ASMA Report Will Review 45 Automotive Website Platforms

PCG Digital Marketing announced today the list of 45 companies that will be included in their research reports on automotive website technology.

The website platforms of all companies in this year's study will be put through a series of tests and the results compiled and published in a whitepaper for the automotive industry.

The automotive website platforms that excel in various categories will be recognized in the report as well as select companies being chosen to received the coveted ASMA award of excellence.

In 2009 35 website companies were reviewed and only 9 were selected to receive an ASMA award. Three of the nine companies had the distinction of being a dual award winner. Last year's dual award winners were Dealer.com, TKCarsites.com, and DealerTrend.com.

The 2010 ASMA awards ceremony will be held On Wednesday October 13, 2010 at the 9th Digital Dealer Convention & Exposition. PCG is sponsoring the conference cocktail reception where the awards will be presented to an audience of over 1,000 automotive professionals. The Digital Dealer Conference is the largest automotive conference and exhibition specifically focused on digital marketing and technology.

List of Companies in the 2010 ASMA Study

The companies that will be included in this year's ASMA whitepaper , in alphabetical order, are:

All Auto Network
Dealer Peak
Nexteppe

Auto Fusion
Dealer Serve
Onten Design

Auto Jini
Dealer Skins
Oren USA

Auto Lot Manager
Dealer Trend
Portratz Partners

Auto Revo
Dealer.com
Promaxonline

Automotive Website Solutions
Dealeron
Pure Dealer

BZ Results
eBizAutos
Reynolds and Reynolds

Click Motive
eCarlist
Search Optics

Cobalt
eCarlist
SEO Sport

Dealer Connection
FZ Automotive
Smart Web Concepts

Dealer e-Process
Higher Turnover
TK Carsites

Dealer Fire
IZMO Cars
Vin Solutions

Dealer HD
Liquid Motors
Wilson Software Corp

Dealer Impact
MJMI
World Dealer

My Dealer Biz
XI Group

Xspond.com

For additional information on the 2010 ASMA visit: www.asmaawards.org or call Carrie Hemphill, ASMA Coordinator, at 732.450.8200.

The Car Shopper on Your Website has Changed, Have You Noticed?

One thing that needs to be kept in mind is that marketing, especially in service, is the vehicle that gets customers in the door and, handled properly, keeps them returning for service. It's critical that the goal of those return visits is establishing a relationship between the customer and a specific service advisor. Once the relationship is established, it's far easier to transition the customer into a vehicle purchase when the time is right.

If we look at it from the customer's perspective, who are we more likely to listen to and trust, the advisor that has made recommendations over time and gained our trust, or the advisor we don't really know?

An important part of this process is making sure that online appointments provide a method to select a preferred service advisor by name and by picture. This assures the highest likelihood that repeat visits with the same advisor occur, promoting an ongoing relationship.

The Car Shopper on Your Website has Changed, Have You Noticed?

Your 'ol Uncle Joe, Senior Analyst for DR, wants you to know the Edmunds PR below is 3 weeks late...

See above, You heard it here 1st!
http://www.edmunds.com/help/about/press/164946/ar...

SANTA MONICA, Calif. — August 20, 2010 — Edmunds.com, the premier online resource for automotive information, estimated today that the average price paid in the U.S. for a used three- year-old vehicle in July 2010 was $19,248, up $1,800, or 10.3 percent, from July 2009.

"Consumers are generally paying considerably more for used cars this year compared to 2009," stated Joe Spina, a Senior Analyst for Edmunds.com. "A lack of confidence in the economy is driving more people to used cars, putting upward pricing pressure on a limited supply of vehicles."

Maybe Joe Spina, a Senior Analyst for Edmunds.com is a regular here ;-)

Glad to be of service,
Your Uncle Joe
-Senior Analyst
DealerRefresh.com
We're #2 and we try harder.

The Car Shopper on Your Website has Changed, Have You Noticed?

Service Coupon Ideas for Mr. Cautious Shoppers aging auto?

Check Engine Light Tuesday

--bring your ck engine light to us and we'll computer analyze it for $___

Car Starting Problems?

--Batteries starting at $_____, installation at no charge

Need the low down on your slow down?

-- Brake pads BOGO

What Service promos work for you? Visit the forum!
http://forum.dealerrefresh.com/f43/service-lane-g...

The Car Shopper on Your Website has Changed, Have You Noticed?

Shoppers love car shopping on the ‘net.

For the last decade they’ve used the internet as their primary vehicle shopping tool.  Internet shoppers on your site right now are on their 2nd, 3rd or 4th “internet vehicle”… BUT, something has changed!  What’s different this time?

This is the 1st time your internet shopper has been in a recession while shopping for a car.

Never before have your Internet Marketing efforts been more important to you, your store and to your very cautious car shopper.  News of the Recession is everywhere (and so is the evidence) so it's no surprise our car shopper in 2010 is very cautious and is taking their time.  I can confirm this “cautious shopper” observation via our post sale survey we do at delivery. This year’s results clearly show that impulse buying is down dramatically and cautious shopping has grown in its place. (e.g. shopping under 2 weeks is way down and shopping more than 2 months is up).

Here’s some more proof, compare the 2 Google charts below…

Google stats:

  • June “Vehicle Shopping” searches at 6 year low
  • June “Vehicle Maintenance” searches at 6 year high

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---I’ve put a circle over June on each year so you can easily compare year over year changes---

Recession's traditionally create strong used car markets as the New car buyer steps down to a used vehicle to find more value,  but, the recession of 2010 is different, used cars are very rare and so expensive that the price gap between new and used are at historical lows. What's that mean?  The "Used Vehicle vs. New Vehicle Value Equation" sucks!  You can see the all time high prices for used cars in the Manheim Used Vehicle index chart below.

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What's that mean? The "Used Vehicle vs. New Vehicle Value Equation" sucks!  The cautious shopper wants to replace his tired car and buy a newer used car yet all he finds is... really expensive used cars!!  Ohoh... not good. Mr Cautious shopper is forced into sucking it up and getting his car fixed instead of replacing it (or, he lives with the rattle and he does nothing).

Ok… so where’s the opportunity?

Right now, like no time before, your dealership web site is a gigantic magnet for your service and maintenience business as car buyers are crawling around your site looking to trade-in their clunker, but market conditions have them in decision paralysis.  Tensions build as each week passes, Mr Cautious shopper still has to get to work and that noise is getting louder and louder. You can see how service demand gets stronger and stronger as each week passes.

Now more than ever, your service business is an outstanding gateway to your sales floor. Your site is rich with pent up demand,  visitors know they’re trapped and have got to spend money, either by service or in sales.  This shopper behavior observation is confirmed in the 2 Google charts above.  Everyone knows they’d prefer to buy new than repair, so, if you want to sell more cars, use your service drive as a gateway and market your service business hard!

In your new service marketing efforts, offer all the service coupons and free "squeak advice" that you can, think of all of the ailments a common aging car has and use it as Internet Marketing honey. Get your service department on a Google Pay Per Click ad campaign RIGHT NOW.

Consider every single up in the service bay as a reluctant buyer that is deferring a replacement purchase. Bird dog your writers handsomely to get referrals on any high RO.

Speaking of right now, It's time to be working those trade-in opportunities HARD.

What buyers don't know is trade-in valuations are at record highs.  Have your webmaster add trade-in forms to invite shoppers to discover how surprisingly affordable a new cars are due to temporarily record high kelly blue book prices. Get the dialogue going, There is plenty to talk about that the shopper is unaware of.

Let’s build on these ideas.

Bring your ideas and best practices to the DealerRefresh community. I am looking for marketing ideas and incentives to help us get “Mr Cautious Shopper” into service bay and let’s talk about some best practices and new ideas on how to help Mr Cautious shopper out of an RO and into a new car (you’re going to want to watch for Jerry Thibeau’s “service drive to sales” comments, they work!)

This post is a spin off from a interesting topic at Dale Pollak’s place The path to profitability: A call to action for all dealers

What are you doing to drive your service customers over to the sales floor?

2010 ASMA Awards - Applications Now Available

Applications for the 2010 Automotive Search Marketing Architecture (ASMA) study, underwritten by PCG Digital Marketing (PCG), are now available to automotive website design companies.

The annual study and awards recognize the best automotive website platforms for automotive digital marketing strategies. Automotive website companies are encouraged to contact Carrie Hemphill, ASMA Award Coordinator, to request the application and data entry forms via email.

Deadlines Announced
Participants in the 2010 ASMA Awards must submit their application by August 2, 2010. The completed ASMA data form with all survey data completed is due by August 27, 2010. The 2010 ASMA will be expanded to include survey data for mobile applications, chat, video technology and iPad applications.

The 2010 study results will be announced at the 9th Digital Dealer Conference which will be held in Las Vegas from October 12-14th. A special ceremony for the award winners will be conducted during the conference luncheon sponsored by PCG Digital Marketing.

In 2009, nine companies out of the 35 included in the study received ASMA awards. The award is the most prestigious industry award for website design companies.

About The ASMA Awards

The ASMA study seeks to assist car dealers with evaluating automotive website platforms and integrated marketing tools. The 2010 ASMA Awards will include a comprehensive grid of website features, tools and architecture of all vendors. The report is the industry's only comprehensive comparison of automotive digital marketing website technology.

Each year, over 50 automotive website platforms are considers for SEO compliance, data integration, user interface, and search marketing visibility. in 2009, only 35 were included in the ASMA report and only a fraction receive an ASMA award for excellence.

All of the companies included in the 2010 ASMA study are given the opportunity to submit their most recent examples of technology for review. This year, the participants can also elect to conduct a two hour presentation of their website and marketing technology to the ASMA review
team.

For additional information, contact:
Carrie Hemphill
ASMA Coordinator
PCG Digital Marketing
732.450.8200
www.asmaawards.org

The Ego....errrr....Dealership Home Page

To pull off a "mailchimp" layout, IMO, you need to NAIL the entrance buttons to perfection, plus, because we're more like a multi-product catalog than a single product offer, the navigation system needs to be more "robust".

That being said, my design thoughts are wrapped around a pyramid now. I can’t build it here, a graph will get the idea across:

Navigation/Content Map

....Home.Page

................Make Pages

…….................Class Pages

............................Make Model Pages

…...................................VDPs

Information----->

Time on Page------>

The deeper the shopper drills, the closer they are reaching to their target. They’ll be open to more “content” the deeper they get. At the top of the pyramid (chart), keep it clean and with every step closer to the VDP, get more aggressive with content and offers.

Looking at our tradein records, I see that people are much more likely to buy a similar class than the make/model they're trading in (e.g. sedan buyer buys another vs Ford Taurus buys another Taurus).

I am CONVINCED that web shoppers are very open to suggestion. Make EVERY EFFORT to serve up similar inventory that is in it's class

Oh... Don't forget I look at everything thru a used car prizm.

The Ego....errrr....Dealership Home Page

Well with my hands tied by Cobalt I have not found a solution that makes sense time-wise for the VDP, just do not have the hours or man power to customize them deeply.

The $17,998 Malibu exists, no bait and switch the intention of not having one specific one on the site at that price is to get the phone call/email to inquire. Also it is there to build a price leader branding.

I understand the trust issue, but like I said before you might not want to fill out a form right away because you are not a "clunker" customer. It does not appeal to you, and that is fine but to many it is appealing and easy.

One thing I try to do when thinking up things like the "clunker" promo is get in the mind of the customer you are targeting. A clunker customer does not usually care what size wheels a certain vehicle might have or if we have the Cobalt 2LT in red with a roof. They want to know if I can give them $3,500 for their 89' Cavalier.

Also it blatantly says right on the image "click to see if you qualify" so most who are clicking that intend to fork over some info in order to qualify.

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