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Is Wordpress better than the rest?

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Yes, Angular is a framework and we use RubyonRails as our coding language. PHP is not as popular with developers as it was before.

Semantics now, but Ruby on Rails is also a framework. Ruby is the programming language.
PHP interest is on the decline, but it still powers a massive percentage of the internet.
There's nothing wrong with using PHP and there's also nothing wrong with using Ruby.

There is specific utilization for php development especially around data oriented systems.
If there's anything I would say to avoid PHP for, it is data oriented systems.
Many other languages have better data management features, optimizations, etc.

I'm enjoying this conversation, I just think you're misinformed about PHP.
I'm no crusader for the language, but for what we're talking about there are no downsides.
 
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Craig,
We do utilize Artifical Intelligence and Machine Learning algorithms to look at data and build pages automatically based on specific data points...this is AI as it is defined.

Again, I appreciate the great communication on topics like this.

I believe, with the very little information that I have, that you are referring to augmented intelligence.
https://www.informationweek.com/gov...and-for-augmented-intelligence/d/d-id/1326496

I might even be pursuaded that you've developed some form of weak / narrow artificial intelligence, which only requires the ability to do one task (ie: build pages) at the same (or higher) level as a human. I suppose that's relative to the human, but I would be hard pressed to believe your technology is better than a creative human who can process more than data.
 
Wanted to backup what most of @craigh was saying in terms of PHP. Over 80% of websites use PHP. I think it has a "bad" reputation because it's so old and has a low barrier to entry. There's nothing particularly wrong with it.

As for Wordpress, it depends who is using it. I can see how the average user can find it limited. They can't drag and drop stuff. They might have to fight with templates and so forth. For a developer, you can create your own plugins to do pretty much anything you want. From a developers perspective, Wordpress is highly flexible.

Security is a common concern when it comes to Wordpress. A good host will force security updates, disable bad plugins, and take care of other vulnerabilities. Keep things up to date and don't install anything shady and you should be fine.
 
Yes you are right WordPress is a CMS platform but it is restricted with regard to the CSS. You are limited to templates and how the WordPress platform is designed.

Not really. Not at all, actually.

As for Wordpress, it depends who is using it. I can see how the average user can find it limited. They can't drag and drop stuff. They might have to fight with templates and so forth. For a developer, you can create your own plugins to do pretty much anything you want. From a developers perspective, Wordpress is highly flexible.

What he said ^

There are no limitations on Wordpress themes.
You can make anything you want. Draw a picture on a piece of paper, scan it and I can make it into a Wordpress theme.
 
https://www.freshconsulting.com/5-reasons-why-we-use-wordpress/

1. The most popular CMS in the world

WordPress is, by far, the most popular open source Content Management System (CMS), used by approximately 75 million websites. WordPress is free to install, deploy, and upgrade. Thousands of plugins and templates power a flexible and simple interface, which reduces development costs and deployment time.

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2. Open Source with room for expansion
3. Highly customizable for great flexibility
4. Designed for anyone, not just developers
5. Lower setup and maintenance costs

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Going into code frameworks discussions is kind of missing the point IMHO since they require development, time, money skills beyond what a typical user can do.

WordPress is popular indeed, and require a bit of a mechanic or at least hobbyist spirit to work with it, and I doubt many dealers are going into it alone/without skilled agencies selling them onto a WP based solution, and then supporting it for them.

At that point, the difference between this setup and packages provided by automotive marketing companies might be the depth of expertise on the platform itself.
Is an agency able to modify WP's core if required? It's unlikely (and not really advisable), some build plugins (We did just that for WP with to market and search engine optimize sites networks from the cloud. One of these marketing automation plugin is free by the way), and most just install and configure plugins trying to keep their clients out of trouble.

In that context, an organization that actually control their product core and service directly their client might be the ideal better bet for dealers.

They're alternatives to WordPress listed on this site, including some open source and free ones that might be a good fit for dealers. And these companies not being the size of WordPress, have also a direct service focus, which means you might be able to get the best of both world, a free/open source system that let you change service provider as needed/not being locked-in along with direct support from the actual product manufacturer (called sponsor in open source product) who has the depth of expertise required to make anything happens, including upgrading system core, and developing innovative solutions driven by the needs of an early adopter client.
 
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Going into code frameworks discussions is kind of missing the point IMHO since they require development, time, money skills beyond what a typical user can do.

WordPress is popular indeed, and require a bit of a mechanic or at least hobbyist spirit to work with it, and I doubt many dealers are going into it alone/without skilled agencies selling them onto a WP based solution, and then supporting it for them.

At that point, the difference between this setup and packages provided by automotive marketing companies might be the depth of expertise on the platform itself.
Is an agency able to modify WP's core if required? It's unlikely (and not really advisable), some build plugins (We did just that for WP with to market and search engine optimize sites networks from the cloud. One of these marketing automation plugin is free by the way), and most just install and configure plugins trying to keep their clients out of trouble.

In that context, an organization that actually control their product core and service directly their client might be the ideal better bet for dealers.

They're alternatives to WordPress listed on this site, including some open source and free ones that might be a good fit for dealers. And these companies not being the size of WordPress, have also a direct service focus, which means you might be able to get the best of both world, a free/open source system that let you change service provider as needed/not being locked-in along with direct support from the actual product manufacturer (called sponsor in open source product) who has the depth of expertise required to make anything happens, including upgrading system core, and developing innovative solutions driven by the needs of an early adopter client.
Looks like your first post here. You do realize that at least four major automotive website hosting providers build their offering on WordPress, right? One of them just sold to Cars.com.

Then again, your post looks awfully spammy.
 
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Looks like your first post here. You do realize that at least four major automotive website hosting providers build their offering on WordPress, right? One of them just sold to Cars.com.

Then again, your post looks awfully spammy.

I don't disagree with much of what he posted though.

The reality is that the Wordpress CMS editor is garbage. It gives you 1 single WYSIWYG to control an entire page.
Without plugins and custom development, it's a crappy blogging tool that got stretched too far.

I'm a huge fan of using Wordpress for small business sites, one-offs, landing pages, etc.
I just don't find the editor experience is at all pleasant, easy to use, etc.
But, many vendors build their own editor on top of it to solve for this - at that point you have to wonder if using Wordpress as the core framework has the same value.

It's a deep discussion and one we had at work many times before building our own CMS.
I've been using Wordpress for well over a decade now - I have a love hate relationship with it at anytime.
I ended up voting against it for the CMS product, but when hired to build the website for Canada's largest autoshow, I used Wordpress without hesitation.
 
I don't disagree with much of what he posted though.

The reality is that the Wordpress CMS editor is garbage. It gives you 1 single WYSIWYG to control an entire page.
Without plugins and custom development, it's a crappy blogging tool that got stretched too far.

I'm a huge fan of using Wordpress for small business sites, one-offs, landing pages, etc.
I just don't find the editor experience is at all pleasant, easy to use, etc.
But, many vendors build their own editor on top of it to solve for this - at that point you have to wonder if using Wordpress as the core framework has the same value.

It's a deep discussion and one we had at work many times before building our own CMS.
I've been using Wordpress for well over a decade now - I have a love hate relationship with it at anytime.
I ended up voting against it for the CMS product, but when hired to build the website for Canada's largest autoshow, I used Wordpress without hesitation.
I would agree with the love / hate part.

However against his point, dealers are not interested in supporting a web platform of any kind. They pay groups (like the ones we've listed so many times) to maintain it for them. Dealers sell cars; web development groups sell websites; agencies do marketing. Templates should be set up to allow for manipulation by dealers (internal people), but not to build on it per se. That's been the case for some time.

I do believe it depends on how deeply developed a theme is though. There are bells and whistles (plugins packaged) that allow for much greater forms of editing. Now, do the automotive web hosting companies utilizing WP allow for such detail, that's on them.

https://www.drivingsales.com/forums/marketing/wordpressbased-website-providers

Dealer Inspire - http://www.dealerinspire.com/
Dealer X - http://www.dealerx.com/
AutoRevo - http://www.autorevo.com/
We Are Full Throttle (Stream) - https://www.wearefullthrottle.com/
Steering Innovation - http://www.steeringinnovation.com/
Fox Dealer - http://www.foxdealer.com/
eDealer - http://www.edealer.ca/

DealerTrend - http://www.dealertrend.com & http://cardealerpress.com/

I'd say that many of those groups are successful.
 
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