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TrueCar Scam on Dealerships - Transparency For ALL?

GRASSROOTS Movement.
This morning I submitted a lead threw
un-Truthful Cars and when the dealers sent me their responses I replied
with links to Jerry's video and other threads about the dangers of True
Car. I made sure to include un-Truthful Cars legal actions to Jerry Thibeau's
video posting on You-Tube and how a company with True in their name is
afraid of the TRUTH!!!!! Hopefully they will see this as the cancer that
it is. If we do not do something about it it will metastasize.

LET"S GO PEOPLE>>>START SUBMITTING THOSE LEADS!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Its amazing to me how businesses like true car even exist.  They literally leech off of dealers, costing them money, to sell them their own leads while they arm them with ridiculous information to use against us.  Its a terrible cycle.  Even worse is they perpetuate the myth that there is some secret scam to just rake customers over the coals for all their money, when most of the time were merely trying to sell a car at cost.  I hate everything about this whole true car scam.

The only way we win is to generate more organic leads through our websites and through training our people to become better at handling them to close at a higher percent. 
 
Do you not see the real problem here? As Dealers we have become weak and complacent, we write checks to third party vendors in the hopes of selling more cars.  The call to action here is to take back our dealerships.  Stop relying on Autotrader, Tru Car, Zagg and others to get customers for you to talk to. That's all they do, here is a person go get 'um. Let's fire all of them and improve our own process. How many dealerships struggle with their sales force to use the CRM? Change your policy to "If it didn't happen in the CRM it didn't happen". Hold people accountable. Train appointment making on the phone, asking for referral's, building a long term relationship, and the list goes on and on.

If we spent all of the money on "process" instead of lead generation we would sell more cars and we would grow our market. Do any of your doubt this?How many dealerships have a written sales process that covers every step your salespeople need to make? How many hold there salespeople accountable to the process. What about managers, do they have a process? are they held accountable?

FIRE THEM ALL!!!! All of these vendors are "Third Baseman" We hate it when a customer comes in to the dealership and we have to deal with a third baseman. These vendors are the internet version of a third baseman. And the sad thing is we PAID them to be that. 

Take back your dealership and stop being held hostage by these third base vendors.  Send a clear message that "We are fed up and we are not going to take it any more" and throw them out of the dealership.
 
Mark, I agree that every dealer needs to require adherence to consistent training, sales, CRM and follow-up processes. Those that don't are losing market share and it's only a matter of time before they close their doors or sell out to a more astute dealer.

However, having good processes alone doesn't bring people to your door nor is having those processes in place a reason to not advertise where a significant number of in-market car shoppers are. There is a big difference between BUYING leads (here's a person, go get um) and ADVERTISING your dealership and inventory on 3rd party classified sites (here we are, here is our inventory, you wouldn't be searching on here if you weren't already somewhere in the buying process, come see us if/when you're ready).

Perhaps a more measured analytical approach to figuring out what drives your traffic would be better than a fire-them-all philosophy? Do you consider the company from whom you buy those balloons and that inflatable purple gorilla to be "Third Basemen" too?
 
I just read a press release by Scott Painter the CEO of Truecar.com which I pasted below, according to him a customer that pays a dealer a good profit is a True Yuzt.  I have been watching this thing unfold over the last week with Ziegler and Thibeau and was pretty much indifferent until I read Painter’s article.  It is this guys goal to have his TrueCar price posted next to every new car MSRP, and from what I have read, that is well below invoice. 
 
I think at this point we need to really asses the situation and decide if we a need a low life piece of crap like Scott Painter associated with our business, there is no profit in his business model for the dealer and from what Thibeau was pointing out their customers are having problems, which of course will come back to bite the dealers in the ass.

What would happen if every dealer took this threat seriously, banned the companies taking this information from thier DMS, and cut thier ties with Truecar.com and ZAG, how long can this Snake survive without cash flow?
 
See if you can read this excerpt from his article and feel positive about his product from a dealers point of view, (Arnold is excluded since his values no longer align with the dealers best interest.)

“The automotive market has not behaved based on supply and demand,”  Painter told Wired.com, mostly because of information asymmetry. One example of market failure are the useless values of Manufacturer’s Suggested Retail Price (MSRP) and invoice. While they’re supposedly benchmarks of what consumers should pay, those numbers are “irrelevant” in today’s market, Painter said, because “almost all cars are selling under MSRP and invoice.”

According to Painter, that asymmetry of information means that consumers are inherently wary of dealers, even though the average dealer only makes $640 in front-end gross on each car sold. TrueCar research shows that the average consumer would negotiate a dealer profit that is 300 to 400 percent higher if only they knew how much the dealer was really making.

Painter says a TrueCar report is an unbiased source of information — much like Zillow or Consumer Reports — that consumers and dealers can use as a negotiating tool. A buyer who walks into a dealership with a TrueCar report, according to Painter, is ready to buy. “The dealer should embrace the fact they’re educated and not take advantage of them,” he told Wired.com.

Right now, a look at the TrueCar website shows that there are a lot of uneducated buyers out there. Glancing at a report for the Chevrolet Suburban, the TrueCar price report shows that one wheeler-dealer snagged a deal at $36,548, while a true yutz managed to pay just over $41,000 for the same identically-equipped SUV. Painter said TrueCar could eliminate those pricing disparities “almost immediately.”

In order to build trust inthe TrueCar brand, Painter is careful to distance himself from manufacturers or dealers. He envisions a world where dealers print a TrueCar window sticker alongside their own information, and where the process of purchasing an automobile treats a car like a commodity. “We’re transforming the market,” Painter said. Those dealers “not willing to give an upfront price are going to go out of business.”
 
TrueCar claims they want transparency.  What they "truly" want is market dominance for their own profit.  They want to leach themselves onto every new vehicle transaction.  They want to become a drain on the already razor tight margins that dealers have.  Shut them out of your business Mr. Dealer.  Because if they are not stopped now, they may not be able to be stopped later.  They are well funded.  This is simple, do not pay for deals that you are missing by not having good people and process.  Generate your own leads through solid online advertising and make sure you convert them!  It's simple, though not easy.
 
I've been scouring the web looking for the site where, in the interest of transparency and "pricing symmetry," Scott Painter has posted the bottom-line best rate that some dealers have actually paid for a TrueCar lead. To be truly informed and build trust in the TrueCar brand, dealers need to know if any other dealers are paying less than TrueCars' MSRP. Is it possible that only a "true yutz" would pay the $300 - $400 asking price for a TrueCar lead? I'm just saying.
 
We've always paid for 3rd party "advertising" to sell our cars in almost everything we do to attract customers.... Be it paper, TV, radio, AutoTrader, Edmunds, billboards, mailers, big gorrillas, corporate partnerships, and the list goes on forever - including 3rd party leads... Trust me the newspaper isn't/wasn't there to provide news and our advertising supported that noble cause... It's created to attract viewers/readers so they can sell advertising. No different than a 3rd party site providing "low pricing options" or even "unbiased reviews" in order to attract visitors in order to get dealers to "advertise" by buying the subsequent leads.... Pure Capitalism at its best!

Do we need to fix processes? Yep, automotive is notoriously sloppy there... THAT is how you earn business - because in today's world consumers don't have to put up with only their local dealer and however poorly he wants to treat them. Trust me - 3rd parties aren't killing the profit, it's how poorly we treat our customer via email, phone, and when they show up...

And I'm not a 3rd party marketing vendor - but I have run a few pretty decent eCommerce operations in my days.
 

✨ AI Highlights

Dealers and industry professionals debate TrueCar's business model, focusing on how the platform uses dealership transactional data to benchmark and publicize pricing, ultimately pressuring margins while charging $300 per sold lead. A consumer commenter defends TrueCar as a necessary counterweight to dealership tactics like bait-and-switch pricing and add-on fees, illustrating the core tension: dealers see TrueCar as a profitability threat they inadvertently empowered by sharing DMS data, while consumers see it as rare protection against opaque sales practices. The key takeaway is a warning from Jeff Kershner that dealers must audit and restrict third-party DMS data access before these platforms gain further leverage.

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