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An email from one of YOUR customers!

Jeff Kershner

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We constantly read the statistics on how our customers are using the internet when shopping for their next vehicle. Yes, we too are consumers but it's not the same since we can purchase our vehicles in house or have a home field advantage by knowing the business. It's easy to forget, working at the dealer day in and day out, how much influence the internet really has our customers shopping for their next vehicle.

  • What websites are they researching on?
  • Are they just price shopping?
  • Are we really listening to our customers?
  • Will a quick generic response to their request for more information be sufficient?

As much as I view DealerRefresh as a B2B blog, I'd happily welcome more feedback from consumers on the other side of the fence. So I was excited to have received an email from one of "your customers". Steve felt inspired to share with us his last experience shopping for a vehicle. Here it is in its entirety.

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Jeff,

I came across your site and like it a lot. I am not in the car business, but have recently purchased several cars. I was going to post on why I used the internet and how, but thought, I am not in the business. I did not want to post against your rules, so I will submit it to you, and you can post it for me if you would like:

I have recently bought two cars, and both times I started out Online. I read Earl Veteran's comments and got to thinking back about how and why I had bought these cars. What I liked, and more importantly what I did NOT like.

1. I liked the internet. A LOT! Its anonymous, so its safer to make a decision. Safer you ask?  Yes, the car business is a very adversarial business, with me, the consumer as the target! And I have to say, the more I learn, the more I do NOT like it. And the more I learn, the more I prefer to make the decisions in private, as opposed to in a sales cubicle, sitting for 15 minutes at a time as salesmen shuttle in and out from the managers office.

2. I shopped price first. Why not? NO amount of customer service will make up for me finding out my neighbor paid $10,000.00 less for the exact same car from  the exact same salesman on the exact same day. I would feel cheated if that happened. (Maybe the car business should look back and wonder how high the "feel cheated" threshold is for the average customer)

3.  I found that the higher end brands were moving more toward a "customer partnership" type atmosphere than the lower end, even during the sales process. Would not a feeling of "we are in the business of providing you what you want and need" to be something you want as the first reaction of your customers, when asked about you?

I started at Edmunds.com looking for types of vehicles to compare. My impression of them is that there are lots of "real consumers" willing to share their experiences. There is some chaff with the wheat, but hey, its the internet, you expect that. I can get a rough estimate of the market price, monthly payments assuming various interest rates, and a small peak into what "owning" the car was like as well as the buying process from any particular dealership. I have not owned this particular brand before, so I had no past relationships. But, to be fair, I am old, have owned others brands, and still did not repeat purchase (perhaps brand loyalty is not such a given anymore?). Then I moved to other forums dedicated to the brands I was researching.

I then emailed about ten dealers. Why not, email is free. I was willing to travel pretty far to save some real money, so I asked about the car, gave my cell phone, and waited. Calls right away! Told them exact color, model, year, etc. no trade in to worry about, no finance option yet, no payments, just a price please. And I waited.

First off, I was NOT impressed!  By how poorly most listened to what I wanted, and their energy at NOT getting back to me!  I guess asking for a car at a "reasonable price" was too much?  I told one guy I only wanted black (actually told all of them that) and he calls back and tells me he found a car for me to test drive. Tells me all about it. A green one???? He is still emailing me six months later! Some never responded.  NONE emailed me back with anything personalized to my needs.

So I am put off, but hey, its not like I wasted a lot of time driving around. This time I emailed the internet guy at the brand I preferred. The gist of my email?

"I am a poor consumer, who can probably not afford your cars, but possibly, maybe, I could.  Plus, I am a loyal customer...once I buy who will have all service work done by you"

According to Earl, this is heresy. Not worth his time to even deal with. But....charity does exist in my world!  And a pretty laid back guy got back to me, with a price I could handle, I checked Edmunds for price paid/buying experience, and the price was really, really good.  No haggling, just a good, no a great price. So I bought. Emailed him back, went in next day to pick it up.

I was deciding between the Avalon for its back seat room, and the Lexus 350 for other factors. But the key for me was the difference in the quality between the two sales forces. Guess which one called me back for the green one? Which one offered to have me drive 60 miles to test drive a vehicle I already knew completely? For me the entire process was almost schizophrenic. Why would the same manufacturer have such different processes? And if its obvious which one I preferred, why would so few other dealers imitate it?

Most of all, I wonder why so many other car dealers treat their potential customers so badly? I do feel that it seems to be "smart business" to try and corner a market if you can.  I see 30 different badges with the same ownership group in Wash, DC, and realize that their costs are way down compared to single shops due to their economies of scale.  So, why would you want to high pressure this same captive audience.  (I live in Texas now, but went in one once, way back when.  The girl was sobbing that if I did not talk to the manager before leaving she would be "fined"). On another note, why do some car dealer think the public is stupid, that we really believe some multi millionaire employs some nitwit who bought TOO MUCH inventory!

Now I am NOT saying the techniques do not work. They obviously must, right?  But what about opportunity costs?  How much are you leaving on the table by only doing it one way, the same old way?  Websites with little info, stock photos, endless quote forms? Hmm, been there, done that.  And from your end as well. Hiring the same old internet guy, and then hassling with him about pay? Here is a question for y'all?  Why pay him based on sales? Does the IT guy at IBM need to have a customer say they "bought off the web" for him to get a salary? How much quality difference is there between the head of IBM IT, and the IT head of Checkered Flag?  (Sorry Alex, but I like your thinking, and thought you could use a tweak.)  Do you pay your receptionists based on how many buyers called first?

Anyone go into a restaurant and EXPECT great service? How about just average? Does anyone think that if the restaurants just paid a decent wage, and had managers good enough to be able to tell good waiters from bad, they would increase customer satisfaction? Or lower turnover? I could have used the car model, but hey, to me the consumer, its the same.  Same lame so-called pro's to deal with.  Same lame experience. I do NOT have the answers, but I could point to some things. Thing is...how good are y'all as a group if you cannot find them yourselves?

Kind of a challenge.

These are tough times, with serious issues in the car business. It takes serious people to accomplish this.  So, Mr. Doing-Business-As-Usual, your 15 minutes are up. I'm Joe consumer, and I AM the President! (loosely taken from "American President" (Michael Douglas) speech near end of movie)

Steve
 
Well it's obvious that customers still feel slighted by the car sales process. Unfortunately based on some of the preceding comments many consumers still have a hard time separating their pre conceived notions from reality. Dealers get inventory forced down their throats from manufacturers and often have way too many cars.. Many dealers are land locked and have no choice but to offer lower prices to make room for the 10 truckloads of vehicles that will be dropped off by the manufacturer over the next week. Also to call all car sales people and managers nit wits shows that people assume just because you sell cars you are stupid or uneducated. Many car sales people are far more educated than the customers that are sitting in front of them, and many of us are in this business because we enjoy it. While dealers work hard to make consumers happy many consumers come in assuming they know and understand the dynamics of the auto business and they really haven’t got a clue. That’s not to say they are not smart, as many of them continue to play one dealer against another to get the best price they can. The comment about the girl that told the customer she would be fined if she did not give the manager the opportunity to introduce himself was most likely true as dealers need to make sure the sales people are doing their job.
 
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Over on the DealerRefresh blog, Jeff has posted An Email from Your Customer. The email was submitted to him by a customer and Jeff posts it along with several questions. After reading the email - yes, you really should - here are some takeaways: Give y...
 
Steve,

I'll declare up front I am not a neutral blog participant in asking this question:

"How would you feel about buying online if you could actually do all of the shopping online from a dealer?"

No salesperson would call except to help with your understanding of the process or to see if you had questions the "shopping cart" didn't answer?

Price, credit, interest rates, rebates, trade-in, accessories, extended warranties, protections, tax, title, fees, and accurate monthly payments. I know you weren't financing, and didn't have a trade, but what if?

Thought you may enjoy this story too:

 
"why do some car dealer think the public is stupid, that we really believe some multi millionaire employs some nitwit who bought TOO MUCH inventory! "

Matt--here is the exact quote.... please tell me where I "call all... nitwits"? I think the quote is actually implying the exact opposite That multi millionaire owners are NOT dumb enough to hire ANYONE not smart enough to NOT order too much inventory.

But your response, I have to admit, I think it might be a "joke" response, seems to show your lack of attention.

"The comment about the girl ... was most likely true as dealers need to make sure the sales people are doing their job."

This is YOUR exact quote, and I have to say, this is the part where I thought ur post was joking........ If you truly think having sales folks feel so much pressure and pain that they are sobbing when the customer does not behave as the dealer mandates... that is truly sad.

Here is an idea, pay enough to get qualified help that can afford to support a family. And then pay a manager to manage well enough that that same group performs. And then see if fear is the best LONG TERM motivator. Yes fear can perform miracles every single day. But I will never buy a single car from a R-thal dealership in the VirMar area. EVER.

steve
 
Brian--

Funny, but it seems that the smaller badges are better at trying new things. Not saying its true everywhere. But I saw an article in the Dallas Morning News about a car dealer in a poor part of town selling "lights out" at his dealership ("his" being sexist of course, and by the way when will women start becoming a critical mass?)

I think it Don Herring Mitsu..... but not positive.

As for the questions: Hmm, I do not know. I think price is important. I think a guarantee is somewhat suspect tho. Here is my thinking about price matches.

Every been to Frye's? They guarantee to match prices, as do most electronic dealers. So you see a TV, and the model number is almost but not quite exactly the same. Each retailer has a separate model number that they use to show that the exact same tv is actually NOT. In the car business I would not trust my neighbor to tell me exactly what he paid, and even if he was willing, its private. Also, my understanding is that there are lots of techniques the dealer uses between finance options, trade in value, and add on packages that are then renegotiated down. So, if I am a consumer who hates shopping for cars, why would I want to do it twice? First to buy, then to compare?

If I wanted to build trust........ hmm, a hard question.... I think I would start with a website put up by my own guys. That is if you can find someone like Alex, who believes in the NET and has the shared costs multi badges can bring. The reason I want my own guys, is I want control. I would put up a forum. No holds barred, true honest consumer stuff. I would knock off Edmunds, ClubLexus, etc. I would even ask ClubLexus if I could open a special topic with only my dealership on the topic. That way I would be seen as having less control of the message. Then I would post any and all comments. The good and the bad. I think every bad comment has MORE potential t help you than the good ones.

Folks believe bad stuff much more readily than good news. Especially when they know good comments can be fed in, and bad comments NEVER would be. Then I would have a special guy who answers each and every comment and tries to help. SHOW that yo make mistakes, but that you take your customers best interests to heart and you have perhaps paid some money out short term. How many of those guys, unless you totally tick them off even bother to shop next time?

Anyone read Car Sewell's "Customers for Life"? I did, and then moved to Dallas, and bought a Lexus. Did I buy from Carl? hmmm one guess..... correctomundo! NO I did not.

Long story, but one bad experience made the difference for me.

Sorry Carl, but I did buy your book :)

steve
 
Alex--

Yes I like your thinking, and your website. Whoever is in charge of decisions for the Web has good instincts. Sadly, I am not up on whether it will wind up in more sales. But you would have my "respect" as a consumer by not putting up some shlock site. I think that there are lots of speedbumps in sales. And anything that gives a potential customer reason to stop, and notice something that does NOT further the sales process? It needs to go!

Short story, I buy the Lexus, go in to pick it up, and its near end of day. I notice they have bottled water for free with dealership logo on bottle... so far so good. But its warm?? Warm bottled water in Texas? So I ask the guy who sells me the car, as he is showing me around? "Oh, yeah, no problem, there is a cup with ice right there!" I point out that Lexus is a pretty nice car, and I would not want to drive over a pothole with a styrofoam cup spilling water. Why not just refridgerate it? He takes me to the service counter, smiling. He has anticipated this he tells me. So he opens up the cooler, sees the 7 remaining bottles,and frowns. "Didn't they used to put these on ice?" he asks the tech. " Yup, but they haven't in a long time."

I went back in 4 months later. Still warm.

Not a big thing, but if you do it, think it through, right?

steve
 
Something to consider here is that 'steve' represents one type of customer, or persona that visits our website. The 'persona' concept and having a system that appeals to each persona is the main takeaway from the Eisenbergs, IMO.