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AutoTrader.com Pricing???

Post an Autotrader blog entry on DealerRefresh= 3 psychotic calls from my AT rep

Alex Snyder raising the bar with his additions= 4 more calls and emails from AT higher-ups

look on Chip Perry's face when he was asked about the blog....priceless!!!
 
Dear Cars 3.0 employee,

Let Autotrader.com raise the rates. The last time I attended a professional baseball, football or basketball game I didn't see any Cars.com advertising. We pay for what we get back. Hmmnn...

How many internet marketing resources does Cars.com pay for to be easily found by the consumer searching for their next vehicle? KBB (lol!!), NADA, AOL, Edmunds?

In a non-newspaper affiliated/Cars.com market, when have I have seen a Cars.com rep come into the dealership and help educate management on the benefits of their advertising service and show their results, or assist a fledgling internet manager produce more results from their advertising?

Or upon contract signing, send an associate to the dealership's lot to do an intitial photo upload free of charge?

ATC is infamous for billing screw ups? Is this based on experienced or just heresay?

Wait until the last days of the month for the best deal? Lol... Proof is in the pudding. Contact me through Mr. Kershner and show me the difference of an initial contract proposal and a signed contract for monthly service for the same account.

Beyond all the ATC 'bashing' on this post, I have proven results from ATC that as of Nov 9, 2007; 4 of my 8 vehicle sales for the month came from Autotrader.com consumers so far.

Cherry on top... I don't pay for the advertising out of my pocket. All I know is how many customers it drives to me every month. My cost per vehicle sold via online advertising is exceedingly less than traditional dealership advertising costs of newspaper, tv or radio. Oh, but wait... how do you track those sources?

If they don't find your vehicle online, they will find your competitors. Autotrader.com is the #1 resource consumers use first to find and/or research their next vehicle.
 
Funny, I see Cars.com on the TV all the time AND the local paper has Cars.com ads everyday. Soon cars.com will have Yahoo! auto channel which, unlike MSN, has had large increases in traffic. People go to MSN for two things, search/homepage and Hotmail. AT is falling behind with out dated partnerships that have a name (maybe for car buyers or maybe just a name) but, do not drive traffic of car shoppers. I'd rather have a 3rd party that changes with the industry and is effective. Not to sound like a cars.com ad, but they buy key words on all engines and have bigger budgets to do so than I. All the dealers on a 3rd party gives strength in numbers and I like that strength.
All of this isn't bashing, it is just that dealers are realizing what is going on and through communication, can all share what they know.... and that is AT is becoming a dying entity and this price hike is to get what they can, while they can.
 
I worked there for almost 4 years.... I can tell you that priority #1 for ATC is 5x.. they want to be a 500 million dollar co. by any means necessary (they might be already or pretty close). During my time there I saw 4 rate increases. Thye have no plans to stop increasing rates.
 
When I was in first grade I saw Charlie and the Chocolate Factory for the first time and after seeing the Oompa Loompas, I was instantly in love.

I asked my mom what kind of people the Oompa Loompas were, because I just had to have one. She looked at the television and said "I don't know. Must be some sort of pygmie or something."

Sounded good to me.

A few months later my first grade teacher asked our class to write our Christmas lists to Santa. Of course the #1 thing I wanted was a pygmie. Well I never got my pygmie. All I got was a meeting with my parents and the teacher. At the time I still believed in Santa and thought he was a big fat RAT!!!!!

As far as ATC-no comment-lol
 
Internet Jeff: 1)you sound like you're a green pea 2) you must have a cute AT rep because you are blind to what is happening around you.
The Titanic (a.k.a. AT) is seeing the fallout begin. Not only did dealers see a rate increase recently, you're about to see another one and you won't even know it. New contracts allow AT to raise your rate without you even knowing it...in some cases 60%. Cars.com is closing the gap. AT keeps touting the JD Powers survey: their score was 682 (out of 1,000) and Cars.com's score was 678: 4 points difference. Considering the fact that Cars.com costs less and yields the same results, where is the REAL dealer satisfaction in comparing the two? And...go to JD Powers and see who powers their online classifieds. It's not AT. As a former Internet mgr, wholesaler, and now Cars.com rep, I have seen the growth, I have seen the AT greed. Can't wait to see them price themselves right out of the market and on to the street. They have and are losing their best reps that have been there from the beginning due to changes in pay structure. What they do is outline a new pay plan, tell you to sell it, then change the pay plan to benefit themselves. Now, not only are they taking dealer profit, but employee profit. Chip Perry: how do you sleep at night? Your pigs are getting fat, but you're about to get slaughtered.
 
ATC management like lemmings are walking straight into the flames of collapse, you can smell the fear of the unknown anymore. They've asked too much and delivered too little. I predict they will shed reps enormously after Jan 1st. Dealers have had their fill of the double speak, even their own sales reps don't believe it!
 
AT used to be completely free in 1998. I was one of the first Non-Franchised dealers on AT in Ohio. AT WAS the best thing since sliced bread. That was nearly 10 years ago. Every single solitary year our rates go up. It was free in 1998. The rates were $250 in 1999. Then $400. Then $700. Then $800. Then $900. Then $1000. Then $1200. Then $1400. We are now paying AT $1650 per month for our package. For $1650 per month, we can have an unlimited amount of inventory listed, we get a thumbnail picture on the main search page, a useless credit application link (only bustout's apply for a loan without seeing a car), a bold logo which doesn't stand out, a few spotlight ad's which generate ZERO leads, and 9 pictures of our vehicles to be hosted on the AT site.

We track every single phone call and UP on the lot. We find out if they were stopping in because of an internet site or whether they were drive by traffic.

When I first started on AT, sales were slow...maybe 3-5 cars per month from AT. I experienced roughly 10-12 sales per month from AT around 2001-2002. In 2003, when I feel AT maximized their ROI, I was selling nearly 20-22 cars every single month from AT alone for only $700-$800 bucks. Fast foward 3 and a half short years and I am back to selling 5 cars per month through AT and spending $1650 to do so. Now in the relative sense of advertising, $300 per vehicle for advertising isn't a horrible number when you are grossing $2000... But it is nearly impossible to have that kind of gross when advertising on AT.

Do a search on AT for a 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee within 50 miles of your dealership. I just ran that search and there are TWO HUNDRED AND THREE 2004 Grand Cherokee's that come up. How in the world is an internet shopper going to land on my vehicle. To try to combat this problem, we've priced our vehicles so low online to get the customers in our door. Now we've eliminated our gross, but in many cases, we DO get customers in the door. Now the problem is the customers want to negotiate. It's a big problem since I am averaging $1000 gross per vehicle advertised online. So then we lose the sale because the customer wants to haggle, and we have no room left...

AT was great when there was little or no competition from other local dealers. Eventually, all of the dealers figured out AT was the biggest and best site to list their inventories on. It was the biggest bang for the buck. In 2003, they were on top of the world. But as nearly every thread on this site has pointed out, those times have come and gone and all that's left are extremely high monthly fees and very few sales.

Internet Jeff: You said 4 of your 8 sales this month are from AutoTrader.com...I think that you are in the minority and are extremely lucky.

We take 9 excellent pictures and we write excellent ads for each and every vehicle we list...but AT just isn't giving us back the ROI we became used to and now expect. The real question is what do we do now?

We were on Cars.com from 2004-2005 for 18 months. We were paying Cars.com $1100 per month and experiencing less than 2 sales per month from their site. I am not sure why it took us 18 months and $20K to cancel our contract. Cars.com rolled out some newer more attractive products and as our sales flatlined in early 2007, we decided to give them another shot. At $750 per month, it seemed like the 2 sales a month would be worth it...and of course we were hoping for more. We are still only averaging 2 sales per month over the last 4-5 months from Cars.com....

Going back to the original question: What do you think of AutoTrader.com's price hikes?

I am extremely unhappy about it...but I have come to expect it every year. Who wants to pay more and more each year for less and less?? As long as we the dealers pay their rates, AT is going to continue raising them....and can you blame them? It's just like the oil companies that are gouging us for gasoline...we aren't happy to pay $3 bucks per gallon...but what other choice is there???