EVs are coming, but for how long?

SO MANY arrows pointing towards this conclusion. Beginning to think this "green energy" push is a scam- sounds a bit crazy, but as more information, data and facts are researched and exposed - I don't see HOW EV's are going to have the enormous impact they're so desperately trying to predict. None of it adds up.

As a Ford dealer, we rejected the Next Gen EV program. We received our ProFormas and based on their numbers, we would lose over $800,000 over the next three years if we signed up. To me it makes no sense why anyone would say yes to losing that much money just to be able sell EVs. I agree with the comments below, Toyota is the ONLY manufacturer that is looking at this the right way. If EVs don't pan out as the big three think, Toyota will be number one in the next few years.
 
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Check out this BS article.

This is an article from The Gaurdian, so you're guaranteed lots of propaganda for pushing the WEF agenda - forcing Americans AWAY from vehicle ownership, for you know... Climate Change and Social Inequalities.

Summary:
The JB Inflation Reduction and Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Acts is a front for acquiring more power and controlling more of our daily lives using climate change as a "noble" front. In order to decarbonize the transportation sector by 2050, everyone MUST transition to EV's by 2050. However the lithium demand for for EVs will contribute to a rise in social and environmental harms and only will deepen global environmental and social inequalities - bringing about water shortages, Indigenous land grabs, and ecosystem destruction.

To circumvent the need for lithium and lower the demand for electric vehicles, our government is already investing in new aggressive policies for fewer cars, more walking, cycling and public transit made possible by DENCER CITIES (the 15 minute city) – followed by downsizing vehicles and LIMITING the size of EV batteries - cuting lithium demand by up to 42% by 2050.

The lithium rush is already gathering pace, but keeping lithium mining to an absolute minimum is crucial for frontline communities – and it also makes good economic sense, according to the report. Most forecasters predict a supply crunch in the next five to 10 years – a period when rapid decarbonization must take place to avert even more catastrophic global heating.”

If you're not yet awake to what's going on I'm not sure what else will convince you, because by the time you see it with your own two eyes, it's going to be WAY TOO LATE. This all sounds like a dystopian communist nightmare to me!

Full Article below OR read the Original Article


Revealed: how US transition to electric cars threatens environmental havoc


By 2050 electric vehicles could require huge amounts of lithium for their batteries, causing damaging expansions of mining.

The US’s transition to electric vehicles could require three times as much lithium as is currently produced for the entire global market, causing needless water shortages, Indigenous land grabs, and ecosystem destruction inside and outside its borders, new research finds.

It warns that unless the US’s dependence on cars in towns and cities falls drastically, the transition to lithium battery-powered electric vehicles by 2050 will deepen global environmental and social inequalities linked to mining – and may even jeopardize the 1.5C global heating target.

But ambitious policies investing in mass transit, walkable towns and cities, and robust battery recycling in the US would slash the amount of extra lithium required in 2050 by more than 90%.

In fact, this first-of-its-kind modeling shows it is possible to have more transport options for Americans that are safer, healthier and less segregated, and less harmful mining while making rapid progress to zero emissions.

The research by the Climate and Community Project and University of California, Davis, shared exclusively with the Guardian, comes at a critical juncture with the rollout of historic funding for electric vehicles through Joe Biden’s Inflation Reduction and Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Acts.

Recognizing the harms of ‘white gold’​


The global demand for lithium, also known as white gold, is predicted to rise over 40 times by 2040, driven predominantly by the shift to electric vehicles. Grassroots protests and lawsuits against lithium mining are on the rise from the US and Chile to Serbia and Tibet amid rising concern about the socio-environmental impacts and increasingly tense geopolitics around supply.

The US’s affinity for cars, especially big ones, and sprawling cities and suburbs where driving to work, school and shop is often the only option, gives its transition to electric vehicles major global significance.

No matter what path it chooses, the US will achieve zero emission transportation by 2050, according to the research. But the speed of the transition – as well as who benefits and who suffers from it – will depend on the number and size of electric vehicles (and batteries) Americans opt for going forward.

“Preserving the status quo might seem like the politically easier option, but it’s not the fastest way to get people out of cars or the fairest way to decarbonize,” said Thea Riofrancos, associate professor of political science at Providence College and lead author of the report.

“We can either electrify the status quo to reach zero emissions, or the energy transition can be used as an opportunity to rethink our cities and the transportation sector so that it’s more environmentally and socially just, both in the US and globally.”

“The report brings into light possibilities for a future without fossil fuels that minimizes mineral extraction and new harms to communities in lithium-rich areas,”
said Pía Marchegiani, policy director at the Environment and Natural Resources Foundation in Argentina.

Transportation is the biggest source of carbon emissions in the US – and the only sector in which emissions are still rising – making it crucial to phase out gas and diesel vehicles as quickly as possible to limit the climate breakdown.

Biden’s strategy to fully decarbonize the transportation sector by 2050 puts some focus on mass transit and land-use planning, but so far the messaging – and funds – have been geared toward encouraging Americans to swap gas-guzzling cars for electric vehicles rather than change the way they travel.

It’s working: over half of the nation’s car sales are predicted to be electric by 2030, and states like New York and California have passed laws phasing out the sale of gas cars.

This is good news but there’s a catch: lithium.

Electric vehicles are already the largest source of demand for lithium – the soft, white metal common to all current rechargeable batteries.

Mining lithium is a fraught business, and the rise in demand for EVs is contributing to a rise in social and environmental harms – and global supply chain bottlenecks.

If Americans continue to depend on cars at the current rate, by 2050 the US alone would need triple the amount of lithium currently produced for the entire global market, which would have dire consequences for water and food supplies, biodiversity, and Indigenous rights.

But it doesn’t have to be this way, according to the report Achieving Zero Emission Transportation With More Mobility and Less Mining.

Best scenarios for battery size, city density and public transit​


Researchers created a novel modeling tool to compare the amount of lithium needed to achieve zero transport emissions for personal vehicles (cars, trucks and SUVs) under different scenarios. It’s the first study to project future lithium demand based on variables like car ownership, battery size, city density, public transit and battery recycling, and connect this with avoidable harms.

In each scenario, the US achieves zero emission transportation by 2050 and in each case some additional lithium mining will be needed.

How much lithium depends on policy decisions taken now, according to the report, impacting economic prosperity, public health, environmental justice, ecosystems and communities at every part of the supply chain for decades to come.

In the best-case scenario – comparing the status quo in which EV battery size grows and US car dependency remains stable – with ambitious public transit, city density and recycling policies, the lithium demand would be 92% lower. (Battery size, like the size of a fuel tank, dictates range – or how far you can travel before having to recharge.)

But results show that even if Americans can’t wean themselves off cars with big lithium batteries, increasing the density of metropolitan areas and investing in mass transit would cut cumulative demand for lithium between 18% and 66%. Limiting the size of EV batteries alone can cut lithium demand by up to 42% by 2050.

How much lithium will be required to power US electric vehicles in 2050?​

Scenarios based on 100% of vehicles on the road being electric by 2050, battery size, vehicle ownership rates, and battery recycling.

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The largest reduction will come from changing the way we get around towns and cities – fewer cars, more walking, cycling and public transit made possible by denser cities – followed by downsizing vehicles and recycling batteries.

It can be done: cities around the world have already begun to reduce car use in order to improve air pollution, road safety and quality of life. In Paris, car use declined nearly 30% from 2001 to 2015, while in London it fell by nearly 40%.

Personal electrical vehicles require more lithium per rider than electric buses​

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And despite the cultural attachment to driving, fewer cars on the roads would not mean a sacrifice in the quality of life, convenience or safety for Americans, according to coauthor Kira McDonald, an economist and urban policy researcher.

“If the policies, institutions, and spending patterns that shaped our existing car dependent infrastructure and built environment change, then alternative modes of transportation can be made far safer, far more convenient, and faster than cars – and immensely more pleasant and fun.”

Protecting people and the planet​


Lithium deposits are geologically widespread and abundant, but 95% of global production is currently concentrated in Australia, Chile, China and Argentina. Large new deposits have been found in diverse countries including Mexico, the US, Portugal, Germany, Kazakhstan, Congo and Mali.

Lithium mining is, like all mining, environmentally and socially harmful. More than half the current lithium production, which is very water intensive, takes place in regions blighted by water shortages that are likely to get worse due to global heating.

Despite being a relatively new industry, lithium extraction has a track record of land and water pollution, ecosystem destruction and violations against Indigenous and rural communities.

In the US, only one small lithium mine, in Nevada, is currently operational, but the drought-affected state has at least 50 new projects under development. This includes the massive Thacker Pass mine, approved at the end of the Trump administration, which is opposed by some environmentalists, ranchers and Indigenous tribes due to the lack of consultation and inadequate environmental review.

In Chile and Argentina, the world’s second- and fourth-largest lithium producers respectively, broken promises by corporations, water scarcity, land contamination and the lack of informed consent from Indigenous groups has fueled resistance and social conflicts.

The lithium rush is already gathering pace, but keeping lithium mining to an absolute minimum is crucial for frontline communities – and it also makes good economic sense, according to the report.

Most forecasters predict a supply crunch in the next five to 10 years – a period when rapid decarbonization must take place to avert even more catastrophic global heating. The price of lithium batteries – the most expensive component of an EV – went up for the first time last year as demand outweighed supply.

Smaller batteries would make decarbonized transportation more affordable. In addition, expanding mass transit systems would improve pedestrian safety and air quality, generating health and economic benefits.

Payal Sampat, mining program director at Earthworks, said: “The findings of this report must jumpstart policies to invest in robust, accessible public transit systems that advance equity, reduce pollution and get people where they need to go.”

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Consumer Reports: "...If it’s cold and the heater is on saps about 25 percent of range when cruising at 70 mph."

So 300 miles range on the highway in January is 120 miles less?

WTG Mary Barra & General Motors leadership!

That's horrible! They keep saying it's the future but unless they figure out significantly more efficient batteries, I don't see how this is going to work out. The more I read and search into this topic (and climate all together) it's hard for me to deny the possibility of this push being for more nefarious reasons. Which makes me sound more conspiracy minded.

Every time I read something pro EV, the articles are mostly written for emotional reasoning, very little if any supporting data and are framed around the question WHY. Where as the con/questioning EV articles are framed around the question "HOW" while including data based on current and potential technologies, resources and just about every other important variable. At this point, I'm neither for nor against EV technology. My wife has a Ford hybrid and it's been a fantastic vehicle. If anyone with links to pro EV supporting data and articles, please share.
 
:bump: for a new thought...

I heard Joe Biden saying he spoke with the three main American car manufacturers at the beginning of his term. He claimed they all agreed to make 50% of their entire fleet electric by 2030 and 100% electric by 2050. Of course, I recognize this is a politician speaking (what does it mean when a politician's lips are moving?), and US Presidents only last 4 to 8 years unless your last name is Roosevelt.

Soooo...

Do you all think we're in for a major turnaround in manufacturing goals with the next President?
 
:bump: for a new thought...

I heard Joe Biden saying he spoke with the three main American car manufacturers at the beginning of his term. He claimed they all agreed to make 50% of their entire fleet electric by 2030 and 100% electric by 2050. Of course, I recognize this is a politician speaking (what does it mean when a politician's lips are moving?), and US Presidents only last 4 to 8 years unless your last name is Roosevelt.

Soooo...

Do you all think we're in for a major turnaround in manufacturing goals with the next President?
The one other angle to consider is that many OEM's are using EV's as an excuse to weaken the current franchise model in an attempt to become more Tesla-like.
 
The one other angle to consider is that many OEM's are using EV's as an excuse to weaken the current franchise model in an attempt to become more Tesla-like.
For example, Volkswagen is potentially introducing 2 "new" brands to the US, Scout and Cupra, both appearing to bypass their existing VW dealer franchise network:
VW's Cupra brand weighs entering U.S. market with larger EVs

What's NADA doing about it?

Back in the day, OEMs would bring brands to the US and award the franchises to existing franchisees (like Fiat) or use badge engineering to work them into their existing model lineup (like Opels becoming Saturns and Buicks in the US).

Now, the fact that they are EVs apparently gives some OEMs an excuse to bypass dealers.