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Have you been blitzed by team ATC yet?

I'm so sick of hearing about traditional media spends being compared to online media spends. TTT is right, if you look at what is being spent on traditional media, it is a fraction of what it was a few short years ago. We're spending millions less per year in traditional media than we were 5 years ago. I'm not going to get into exact figures, but I can say that in the last five years we've gone from spending 6 figures on online media per year to over 7 figures.....might that be where a good chunk of that traditional ad budget went?

Also in the last 5 years we've gone from spending on the high side of 5 figures to ATC per year, down to $0 per year. Guess what? We're still in business! I recall one of my ATC reps saying we're going to go out of business if we're not on ATC. Maybe it is because our local Toyota ad agency subsidizes the basic listing package for ATC that is keeping us going. Out of our 11 franchises, we're still around because we have Toyota on ATC. Yeah, that must be it. I'd hate to see what happens if our ad group ever decides to go with Cars.com......I might have to get rid of my new car, kill my vacations, and sell the house!

Sorry, I'm being silly, but I had to stoop down to the typical argument I get into with people from ATC because they just can't comprehend that we can survive without them.....actually, survive isn't the right word - "thrive" is much better.

Amy - you mentioned "ACCOUNTABILITY" - will you please explain how ATC is accountable for reporting, support (mainly in Atlanta), keeping feeds shut off when asked, and taking responsibility for inventory removal.
 
Autotrader will be on the ropes this year. They are in the midst of their worst quarterly performance in the companies 10 year existance, actual negative numbers for the first time ever. Whomever the genius was that thought up the one date renewal pull through with a rate increase to boot is the one that launched the Titanic. There isn't enough time to blitz the entire nation and stop the leaking on this one I'm afraid. "Iceberg, straight ahead!"
 
---------Paul- you are incorrect. atc has built strong brand...but people (13 MILLION a MO) come to find a car...your car....and spend the most of their time on the search results page...where your inventory, logo, map & phone number are. If they are in market car shoppers, looking for what you sell...how is this not good long term?--- Amy.

I suggest you reread my comment. ATC is using dealers inventory to build their brand not the dealers.

Long term it hurts the dealers not helps them. I suggest you get a copy of my report. Click on my name it is there waiting for you!!

Paul Rushing
 
Ok, I know I am a vendor for TK, but I had been an Internet Manager / BDC Director before hand and I had to put a little bit of my sense in here, since reading Amy's comments & I hope YALL enjoy it!

I used AT in the past but only on my used inventory, yeah it was nice to track calls, emails and whatever. I then had a new rep come in to the dealership trying to get me to put the New Inventory on Auto Trader. I had asked her "Why?" She stood their like a "Deer in the head lights look" uhhhhhh for better exposure. Lady you got to sell me! After her babbling along about the greatness of the new car exposure, I asked " What is the price?"

There again " Deer in the headlights".. I still have never received any pricing...

Yes the Blitz crew came along for I like to call them the "Rat Circus / Dog & Pony Show or better yet Circus Vendors".

I always enjoyed getting them worked up and brushing them off the lot, because I so did not need that. I agree with Alex "they tick me off too"

Amy, Just a note to say " If you brag about how much your vendors spend, I think you mean by spending too much time looking up the skirt!"

I agree with TTT, you seemed to be way overly burnt out. If you are taking your job to personal (for which it seems to be) you may want to consider a differnet career.

SEO, SEM and Blogs???? Just let me know when you find it, because I am having a heck of a time trying to find it.

AT is a good investment if you use it right, but after the prices being jacked up to cover the Superbowl and all the Glitter, I would never consider using them again.
 
Paul,

I don't mean for this to be personal and I hope it isn't taken that way. I'm only seeking full disclosure and the fact that nearly every post regarding ATC or Cars.com generates the same response from you has finally prompted me to ask.

I've read your paper, I've read your blog, I've read your posts on this and a few other notable automotive sites, but this confounds me.

As much as you beat the leakage and monetization of user generated content drum, I was truly surprised to see that Carl Gregory Hyundai is employing the services of one of the "anti-dealer" organizations that you are so quick to publicly defame, yet I've never seen you mention that. The greatest evidence against your report is that you yourself, the author, who encourages other dealers to "stand up to them and cancel" don't seem to be able to run a successful department without the addition of a "classified vendor" to your lead mix.

ATC's blitz team has been chastised for saying one thing and doing another in this thread and Amy who is obviously either new to ATC or new to this blog took the bait and got bashed on the head a bit for toting the company line, but turnabout is fair play.

I think your paper, "How the Major Classified Auto Vendors Hurt Your Online Success," would be much more credible if you would explain why you berate third parties on this blog and encourage other dealers to drop them but seem to benefit from the contacts and exposure by using them in your own dealership, unless of course you aren't benefiting from them which leads to a few more questions.

On another note, where is Lightnup? I would have expected to see a few posts by now.
 
JL as I have said before you do not use your real name or industry affiliation's so your prodding does not really justify my attention but I will give it to you anyway.

In the future if you desire a response from me come clean with who you are. Do not hide behind initials My phone number is readily available make yours available too. Be transparent online if you want credibility.

The only high end classified vendor I use right now it cars.com and the only reason they are still in the mix is due to circumstances out of my control. However at the price point which I advertise there it is almost justifiable.

When our current contract ends I will not be there if my input is recognized. At the end of the day it is not my decision.

I can be a voice in the industry, I cannot control what others do with their money.

However, my voice is crystal and I do not hide behind unrecognizable an unknown moniker,

Any further prodding by you will be ignored until you give:

---your real name
---industry affiliation
---your phone number

Until you do enjoy your cool aid!!

Paul Rushing
912-266-1629
ISM Carl Gregory Chrysler Dodge Hyundai
5400 Altama Avenue
Brunswick, GA 31525
 
I totally agree with Paul. Let yourself be known to take credit for your post.

JL from what is seems on defending AT as you do, are you part of the AT Blitz team?

Let me know how the cool aid taste!

1 cup of bull
1 cup of smoke
or yeah don't forget the hidden daggers
Add the desired amount of Sugar to sweeten it up
Mix & drink!

Any other suggestions on how the cool aid is made?
 
---I totally agree with Paul. Let yourself be known to take credit for your post.----

Thanks Jennifer!!

You have to remember the playing field that we are operating in.

Long gone are the days of hiding behind "handles", especially if you want your voice to carry any weight. John Reese did a very good post about it at Income.com