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I hate Internet customers!

My avergae gross just for Internet deals for last month was $2750, new and used. Mini-deals? You have to learn how to correctly engage the customer. Yes you will get mini-deals. But customers are largely on the Internet looking for honesty, that's why they want to know your invoice. Doesn't mean you have to give them invoice, they just don't want to be lied to. So they may bust your balls a little, you have to be aggressive in a completely different non-confrontational way. And you will make good grosses.

My Internet customers are some of my most loyal, and I always get a great survey back.

And you wouldn't believe how many customers I've had tell me they hate CarMax's fixed pricing. I would hate to think that's the future for the car business.

Customers and the car business haven't changed, just the way they go about getting their info and their level of knowledge has. You need to learn to leverage it, and use their advanced knowledge to your advantage. Customers understand you're doing what you're doing to make a living, and if you do things right, they'll be very understanding about it.
 
The car biz has changed, period. We all understand the issues that we face, and trust me when I say that some dealers are doing pretty well with the current e-market situation.

We are to blame for the price wars, we are the ones that decide to sell the cars for a $50 mini. However I also agree with some comments (circuit city example) and realize that this is not unique to the car biz, the Internet has had similar effects in many other industries and therefore we can perhaps talk about a social change when it comes to how consumers view and undestand the sales process rather than just how car buyers do.

As a vendor I find CS's comment very funny: "Have you ever tried to sell something to a car dealer?", we face exactly the same problems that you face. As a Diamondlot distributor I face dealers that request a meeting to ask for a .50c discount per car--after 4-5 years of good service with NO hickups--just because they got a lower quote from DS. Lets make the math: .50c times 100/month means that the dealer will save $50/month. In my end, the reason why I have 95% of the market and DS does not is because I spend the money in having 4 (yes, FOUR) layers of field support while DS has 1, yet the dealers need a meeting to save $50/month just because someone left a quote...

We all face the same issues, it is just biz.

The way I handle my biz is by trying to stok to what my uncle Carlos told me long time ago while trying to decide my future carrer:

"Be the best at what you do and you will do well".
I provide (at least try!) my customers with the best service, response, respect, and knowledge as possible and if they must save the $50/month, well... that is whay Wall Mart is in biz.
 
Is there a distribution system more poorly designed for efficiency than the one used by car manufacturers and dealers? In the present system, car prices are priced up by locked-in labor and operational costs. Manufacturers pit dealers against other nearby dealers. Dealers are pressured to accept more vehicles than they can sell, unable to make money from new cars; and turn to service and trade-ins to squeeze out margins.

At the bottom of the food chain are customers trapped in high-pressure negotiations for a car that isn't the exact model they want and usually turned off by the whole process. They are also confused by too many prices, discounts, incentives, rebates etc, etc. Is there any wonder why they are always looking for a better price? The system has conditioned them to do so.

Why do we think the consumers have embraced the Internet so closely, it is a solution to a sick process. They feel it is a way to circumvent the standard sales process where they have been lied to and pushed in ways they do not like. This is especially true now with so many women in the market place.

For the most part channels are constructed from the supplier/OEM down, rather than from the customer to the OEM. The product or service is designed first and it is only then that the supplier thinks about ways to get the product/service out to the customer. If the company achieves its sales goals, it lulls the company into the assumption that the channels must be right. For all we know an alternate channel might have achieved even better results.

The more common issue is that the chosen channel is an expedient short-term solution, often not well suited to sustain sales and profitability in the long run. Once a channel is up and running it is very hard to shut it down and construct a new one. The solution is the channel is temporarily repaired, a "band-aid" is approach, and the selling process moves on.

Toyota's channel strategy is unique. A Toyota dealer sells an average of over 1,000 cars per year compared to a dealer at the Chevrolet division of GM, which sells much less than 1,000. The Japanese company has about 1,500 distributorships in the United States; Chevrolet has about 6,000 plus. No wonder the dealers are killing each other as well as beating up clients to sell a car.

Toyota has a selective number of dealers who face much less competition, have a much larger market area, and sell more cars per outlet. Their dealers should be more profitable, and therefore more satisfied. There is also more demand on the dealers to be customer friendly and service orientated, if there are complaints and Toyota learns of them there is a team approach to work with the dealer to resolve the issues and place process in place to correct the problem.

Dr. W. Edwards Deming was teaching Quality Management in Japan, the Total Quality Management (TQM). Demming’s photo is in the lobby of Toyota’s headquarters, bigger than the photo of founder Toyoda Sakichi. Demming didn’t find an audience in the US after WW II, because managers at the time thought that poor quality was caused by people who just didn’t want to do a good job. They didn’t think there was much managers could do to improve quality except exhort employees to do a better job.

Mr. Demming’s basic message was that quality is a management responsibility, and poor quality was almost always the result of systems imposed on workers which thwarted people’s desire to do high quality work. He taught the Japanese managers how to empower production workers to investigate problems and systematically improve processes. He taught that teamwork and long term, trust-based relationships with suppliers were far better than adversarial relationships. He emphasized a culture of continuous improvement of both processes and products.

The Internet is a great complement to the industry; the technology provides the possibility of transforming a channel that can seamlessly connect the customers, channel partners, and suppliers. The Internet is the facilitator for change in the system that needs to be changed for the good of the industry.

Lucky we are part of this change.
 
Car shoppers will only demand more and they will be more educated as the "Generation ME" hits the scene in full force. This generation grew up on the Internet and they think they know everything since all they need to do is “Google it”.

Earl said “These internet customers have no loyalty to the dealer or the sales people…”
Recognizing this issue is very important and if the dealership/sales people do not take steps to address the loyalty situation they will be forced to cut Mini deals more and more.

My partner and I saw this coming a while back and this is why we are letting all dealers place their inventory on our site for free. We don’t want to focus our energy on counting every lead to justify the fees. We want to focus on helping you look your best as a Car Dealership on the Internet. Gerald said “…..ENGAGE the customer early, and sell yourself and your dealer. If you are not doing this, you are simply selling the same vehicle someone else has (assuming it is new)” and I could not agree with him more. However, I would take it a step further and say “ENGAGE the customer on the INTERNET, and sell yourself and your dealer; then reinforce your value as a sales person and the value of the dealer when the customer comes to the showroom. If you are not doing this, you are simply selling the same car as someone else and the only way to get the sale is to sell the car for less”.

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Internet Jeff Larsen - glad you liked it. I think it is pretty obvious, and hope to be one who helps influence that change. Unfortunately, I don't think dealers can do it though.

Lao - Helluva post! I think 2008 will shed some light on just how short-term things are.
 
>Why? Because the Internet Consumer is vehicle specific and why
> shouldn't they be if they're spending $25,000?

I think this points out a fundemental problem with how we approach internet sales.

Think about this.. everyone is pre-occupied with getting visitors on their website to fill out a form. Why? because that way we can lay claim to their sale as being from the internet.. because thats how most of us are paid. Or, thats the only shot we have at getting a sale since a lot of dealers don't consider phone calls from the net should go to the 'internet guy' (because everyone else on the floor will cry). Or, we're paid to set appointments.

Now, let's think about this some...Who is really going to do this (visit a site and send in an email)?

Pretty much only someone who knows exactly what they want. What else could they possibly ask you when almost everything else is already on your website?

Is this really the group of people to focus on?
1) They are NOT the majority of the people on your website.
2) they are NOT the majority of the people who come to your dealership.
3) they will most likely end up buying something else anyways.
4) They have no reason NOT to shop price through email.

1 & 2 were just a theory of mine a year ago. So we started having customers fill out a small survey while the salesman put tags on their vehicle for a test drive.

The results backed up my theory - most people do NOT have much more then a general idea of what they want. This yet another another example of the Perato principle (the 80/20 rule): spending 80% of your effort to generate 20% of your sales.

Here's the framework of 'given assumptions' I used when laying out our current internet strategy:

1) most shoppers are NOT vehicle specific, so stop spending all the effort trying to cater to them.

2) the odds of having the exact model in stock that the 'vehicle specific' shopper is looking for is pretty slim unless you are a huge dealer (which we are not). again - stop chasing after these shoppers.

3) sell the dealership and our value propostition to everyone else.

4) the whole point of follow-up to email is to get the phone call. So downplay the email forms and stress the 'call us' call to action. Again though, just like with email there's not much the that majoirty of our website visitors will even have to ask via the phone.

5) The point of the phone call is to get them to come out and visit. So, encourage this - sell the dealership!

I do not sell cars, set appointments, or even talk on the phone - all I do is everything in my power to generate showroom-traffic / phone calls / emails, in that order of preference. I let our post-sale survey sort out which customers came from where.

This approach resulted in over 50% of our sales coming from the internet within 12 months (most from our own website - and no purchasing of leads). Over half of them just drove up with no prior contact with us, most of the others phoned us first. email leads make up the smallest portion of our internet sales (ok - we DO have a problem getting these folks in the door.. the sales floor handles every lead, and they are still coming to terms with how to do this properly). Our grosses across the entire dealerhsip have gone up a grand in this time as well (to over 2500) since we no longer have cut-rate internet prices dragging everything down.

We need to stop spending SO MUCH of our efforts targeting vehicle-specific shoppers and price shoppers, then struggling with the fact this is all we are getting. WHAT ABOUT THAT OTHER 90-95% OF THE PEOPLE ON OUR WEBSITES?

Dealers get what they reward, and they insist on seperating the sales staff and using a reward system that forces the ISM's to chase only a handfull of their potential prospects.
 
To All Readers:

Everyone makes one good point or another. Earl I understand your thoughts and problems with the Internet Business. Please know that I have been in the car business as a regular internet salesperson to director of internet sales overseeing 8 franchises. As we all know there are many ideas of how to sell more cars through the internet from the get the customer on the phone early to email campaigns and many more ideas.

I have read all the posts here and not one person mentioned much about location (state or city). This is what my experience tells me. Your location in the country has a major reflection on the type of mentally of your customers. Example: Customers who are born and raised in the Midwest region of the country have a less aggressive mentally than east coast born and raised citizens. What I mean is customers in the Midwest will take more time to make a decision than a east coast person. I can say this with true hard facts because I am from the east coast and now currently living in the Midwest. SIDE NOTE: I bet If I took a poll in the town which i live in of 100 internet salespeople I would bet less than 10% know what dealerrefresh.com is. My point is that the Midwest Car Business is probably 5 years behind the times. That is just an estitmate.

Along with that I also know that OWNERS and UPPER MANAGEMENT mentally are totally different. I have struggled and even argued with owners and management about theories about how to sell more cars via the internet. My departments had their best months when the management truly allowed me to run the department my way and my way only. But like typical upper management and owners once you had a successful month why didnt you make a 1,000 per copy? Or why didnt you hit 55 cars? All in all upper management will never be truly satisfied nor will owners.

I have found price sells more cars than anything else in the midwest region and that a customer wont drive 20 extra minutes to save 75 bucks. If I wanted to sell more cars and steal deals from other dealerships I had to be atleast 200 bucks cheaper than someone else. And my competitors would quote right out the box close to dead net cost because that dealership wanted volume not gross. With that type of competition it was difficult for the management to make the final decision to sell a car as a loser.

These are just random thoughts for everyone to think about. I can be way off base or some of you might agree with me. I do agree with Earl and how difficult the business can become. WIth that said I did get aggreviated with the business and I left the Internet Sales Business and started my own business that is associated with the car business.
 
Brian, not sure if I have yet written about it but I have a post in the works in reference to exactly about what you are referring to.

You are exactly right when you say "Your location in the country has a major reflection on the type of mentally of your customers".

Know your AOI and better yet know your customers. It's too easy to read and follow all of the statistics from J.D Power, Polk, Cobalt, Google and anyone that I've missed. What kills me is that fact that none of these statistics break it down by region and manufacturer. And the truth is, these are the statistics that you need to know.

Heck, I went from a Mazda Subaru Volkswagen dealer to a Mercedes dealer in the same town and I can't begin to tell you the difference between these consumers. I could get a VW customer to travel over 100 miles to save $200,..Subaru? No, Mercedes..Hell NO! (yes, used cars shoppers can be quit different).