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Thank You TMF;

At the root of this discussion is what AT and Cars might do to deliver a better ROI.

If there are 45 Million used and 13 Million new autos to be retailed in 2011, then the easy measurement of how successful any product offering from these traditional Online Buying Service companies has been is % of total units retailed.

Hope that makes more sense, champion...

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CONSUMER
A shopper is an independent potential customer of a particular brand or product. 'SHOPPERS ARE NOT LINEAR' is the truest post to this entire Thread, and it takes us along this road. An impulse is necessary to move a shopper from wherever they might be into our 'Transaction'.

Auto retail present is almost out of impulse. The car isn't an impulse most times because 80% of consumers already have studied it well online. Pricing is not even an impulse. AT and Cars must produce a platform for establishing an involuntary inclination prompting to action...

AutoTrader's Chip Perry had the advantage of knowing this 5 or 6 years ago, because I told it to him.

Subscriptions are a poor value proposition in an Information Age. Think about it, what you are paying for in a subscription - simply information. It's free to the consumer to gather all the information a dealer has to offer at traditional OBS's. But, dealers are paying for their access to the info through current AT and Cars subscription-based product models. Why so?

At least a portion of consumers are willing to pay gross profit on a car deal. The approach to traditional advertising takes the portion down percentage-wise because traditional advertising in auto retail for 120 years has conducted a linear conversation (and, let’s remember here the point Joe makes that “SHOPPERS ARE NOT LINEAR”) moving the customer to action primarily on the basis of discount or price driven messaging.

Consumers are not all alike, though. And, this is one of the gigantic pains of traditional advertisers figuring on how to keep their age-old product offerings valuable in an Information Age.

Since consumers are not all alike, ‘the handshake’ which is necessary to deliver a shopper from an online buying service like AT is not always alike, either.

Consumers, hence, are to be driven to the Transaction in any number of ways. As dynamic as consumers are today, it would be impossible to believe any spin on a traditional advertising approach would yield any substantial increase in the percentage transactions a dealer client expects.

A social-based approach to attracting the consumer into the Transaction must be the answer. And, today, the perfect platform for that social-based approach exists.

J. Kershner, consumers/customers, as you well know, are the end client of all OBS’s. All shoppers are not Consumers. And, for 120 years the common denominator in ‘our industry’ (I still can’t help but wonder what exactly Joe Pistell meant by that…) for determining the difference has been the Consultant.

To such point, isn’t easy to see the value of putting the consumer and consultant in ‘the handshake’ mode as soon as possible. Isn’t this what will need to happen anyway, if the shopper is to be converted – whether online, or on premises?

Consumers are social creatures to which we sell our products, and Consultants are the conduit by which we do it in almost every instance.

TRANSACTION
A valuable thing is transpiring online each and every day in an Information Era. Socialization is virtual, now. Because a conversation that once occurred only by phone or physical interactions between prospective consumers/customers is now available online, the sales channel for auto retail has an added dimension.

Transactions are the result of consultants and consumers shaking hands after, during, or in rare instances prior to a conversation about a specific value proposition. That specific value proposition doesn’t exist at AT or at Cars, right now. In example, even cars listed at these OBS’s at clearly competitive prices are being negotiated to less valuable selling propositions for the dealers. This is dysfunctional!

If individual consumers are looking for the one dynamic that moves them to the Transaction point, then individual value propositions must be offered. We are already doing this in auto retail, and have been doing it just this way for 120 years. ‘The handshake’ is how we have done it. And, in this Information Age, it is still how we will do it.

Transactions, let’s say, can come from any one of a 360 degree dynamic. Conversations are the information gathering processes that determine which one. Consultants are prepared with negotiating, product knowledge, and sales process training to help them do this each and every day – several hours at a time. They have the ‘active communicating’ skill down as it pertains to the auto retail process, because they are doing it more often than anyone else.

Transactions are 50% consultant, 50% consumer, and 100% handshake. If a dealer is waiting until a potential consumer from an OBS is actually on the premises to commence ‘the handshake’, then he is shooting himself in the foot. While AT and Cars have products that are relevant to how we all do our work in Auto Retail Present, that they wont need significant innovation behind their next product offerings beyond the idea of driving shoppers to yet another online space is a farce. If I am a dealer who pays to subscribe to their services, I am asking for a per unit breakdown of my cost against which ROI may be measured. The Transactions are eluding AT and Cars on their current platforms.

It is an easy fix. OBS’s must learn to measure the Transaction. There are about 13 Million new cars forecast to be retailed in 2011. If between AT and Cars there are over 25 Million unique shoppers for cars being generated, then this is an instant deduct in the value of their product offering. It says that a subscription to either means I am spending at least 100% more than what I should for each Transaction they are able to deliver. And, that would be if AT and Cars were responsible for 100% of the 13 Million new cars expected to be delivered in 2011.

The fix is inherent what J.D. Rucker is doing through his Hasai offering over at TK Carsites and I do look forward to working with him. At this point, there is more to share. And, of course, “Appreciation Rules Creation” being my life credo, I would be happy to share more of it with you, Jeff.

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Michael;

As a provider of services to dealers and the overall auto retail industry sector, Cars.com must realize "1 Million Visits to Individual Dealer Sites..." must be improved upon. And, the great news is, in an Information Age it absolutely is possible.

If I know 13 Million cars are forecast to be sold in this year, and Cars.com says to me their product can deliver 1 Million potential car buying consumers per month, then I expect to generate a mean percentage of the 13 Million.

However, this is the pain of Cars.com being owned by a traditional advertising conglomerate. "Active Communicating' is terminology I use when I think of what traditional advertising has evolvled to in 2011, an Information Age. I think, "what if I/we could own 'the conversation' of these 1 Million potential car buying consumers per month?". Inside these conversations are jewels of information that lead to 'the handshake'. I know this is true because I have worked Internet Management and Training inside dealerships on showroom floors and in BDC's since 2003.

So, Michael, if Cars.com is able at the end of 2011 to track that they were responsible for say 10% or 12% of auto retail transactions overall, then the value proposition they offer dealers is one that becomes appreciable and grows in value over time. As Cars.com improves its ability to pull Identifiers from 'the conversation' that begins online and must move into a physical location in order for 'the transaction' to ensue, they will make a more and more efficient product offering for themselves and for their dealer clientele.

I have more on this champion, and would be happy to share...

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Okay Alex;

"B.O.B." or Big Orange Button is something you like. And, it may have some added value. But, its still another widget to traditional advertising approaches that just are not very efficient.

AT could make a gigantic splash with B.O.B. if they used it as a social media marketing campaign. If they borrow from my ABC Exclusive Auto Buying Clubs model and give general consumers the option of placing the B.O.B. across their social media networks as a means of earning a few bucks, then they get DYNAMIC!

Afterall, 'SHOPPERS ARE NOT LINEAR' (right, Joe) and all the doors to AT that can be opened represent an opportunity for 'the handshake' to occur. And, by leveraging social media, 'the handshake' delivered can actually be a warm one - the most valuable one.

I have more on this, Alex...love to share it with you, champion!

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Great point here Drew;

A threat of Socialization is we are so early into it that some (mostly, older) pro's will interpret its value based upon a particular set of perspectives that would force it into the capsule of success they have experienced in the past. We both know, auto retail isn't exactly touted for futurisitc and innovative approach - been doing it the same way 120 years!

Connecting dealers' consultants with consumers or customers is the exact bottom line, Drew.

However, at Cox, it would be 2021 before they got through the bureaucratic rigamarow necessary to move an initiative forward to do this, so they just keep beating the dead horse. And Cars is number two, they are only there to follow number one. Its how big business works, and why you see the size of traditional employers shrinking and emergence of entrepreneurship spiking as we get into the action months of 2011.

I got a plan, it gets more customers to you/your dealers' consultants, and we can talk about it if you'd like.

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J. Kershner;

D. Rawls here superstar champion...

Alright, the 'SHOPPERS ARE NOT LINEAR' comment is the most valuable one in this entire Thread, thus far.

As commented much earlier in this Thread, I believe any new product from AT and Cars will fall short if it does not leverage 'the handshake'.

'THE HANDSHAKE' = (CONSULTANT+CONSUMER) x TRANSACTION

'THE HANDSHAKE'
A can't miss formula for these companies to tout the measure of success they can offer dealer clientele is to produce a means of capturing 'the handshake' earliest, and managing the entire relationship through the consultant/consumer transaction, and hopefully into antiquity.

CONSULTANT
As the eventual manager of the greatest majority of all car deals is the CONSULTANT. Now, in discussions I've had since Joe blasted me for being such a peon, I discovered there are industry personalities who call them "Sales People" or something still more indicative of the traditional hierarchy of auto retail industries that is now obsolete.

An Information Age has most shoppers (well over 80%) absolutely accessing more info than ever before since it is available easily online. 'Easily' is key. A Top Performing Sales Professional (who we call "Consultants") can 'easily' handle all the holes Joe, Mike, LightenUp, and all these potential innovators of AT and Cars products that will somehow become something that traditional advertising has never been-Efficient!

At any traditional online buying service, only one 50% portion of 'the handshake' is trackable. Hence the inability to determine what 'A Million Unique Visitors' means to a dealer client's ROI.

AT and Cars are going to find the next evolution of any online buying service offering with a better value proposition will need to have the ability to track exactly what is happening with the consumer online, and exactly what percentage of them Transacted business with a particular dealer client as a result of any AT or Cars product.

And, in order to deliver such efficiency, AT and Cars will find themselves tapping into the other 50% portion of 'the handshake'. Consultants have always, and always will (in the foreseeable future) manage 'the handshake' of any auto retail transaction. OBS Future will absolutely leverage this!

CONSUMER
A shopper is an independent potential customer of a particular brand or product. 'SHOPPERS ARE NOT LINEAR' is the truest post to this entire Thread, and it takes us along this road. An impulse is necessary to move a shopper from wherever they might be into our 'Transaction'.

Auto retail present is almost out of impulse. The car isn't an impulse most times because 80% of consumers already have studied it well online. Pricing is not even an impulse. AT and Cars must produce a platform for establishing an involuntary inclination prompting to action...

AutoTrader's Chip Perry had the advantage of knowing this 5 or 6 years ago, because I told it to him.

More to come...

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Joe wrote: "I ask you... WHERE ARE THE EAGER BUYERS asking dealers everywhere... "do you still have the car?""

That's my point Joe. They aren't calling, they aren't emailing... they are coming in to look at the car. However, because most dealership pay plans encourage the floor salespeople NOT to find out if the customer saw the car on the Internet (for fear of having to split or give up the entire deal), they go uncounted as a conversion. The behavioral end-game that you are seeking - physical visit - is actually happening, it's just not being documented.

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Finally Mr. Pistell;

This thread activates the truest matter at hand - how to track what an online lead from any AT or Cars feature/page translates into for the dealers in terms of Transactions.

You are right! (And, to think I was about to write an article per your request called "Takin' Joe's Pistell).

SHOPPERS ARE NOT LINEAR!

Every lead on AT or on Cars will have its own merit. Some are dead set on buying the exact car they clicked through. Some are not set on buying any particular car at the time of their visit to the website. Some have been to Edmunds, TrueCar, and every site affiliated with the car they have an interest in buying. They probably won’t pay much profit to who ever sells them their car, especially if it’s a new car. But, some customers research online and still will pay profit.

The point here is, SHOPPERS ARE NOT LINEAR! (Good job Joe!)

Now, I can expound more on this, but it will probably result in Joe telling me to submit my own article about any service I offer that makes "our industry" better, since I have no relevance to such a high-ranking discussion about this matter of creating ROI. Shame, we discuss socialization, and practice the antithesis of it at the same time.

More to come...

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Lightenup, you ask:

"I'm curious as to what information you feel a shopper can find on the dealer's website that they would not find in the online listings of a dealer doing a good job merchandising their inventory on ATC or cars.com."

IMO, this is the "HOLE" that causes the dis-connect. Many months ago, I was fishing for data for exactly this. See it at: http://forum.dealerrefresh.com/f40/whats-car-shoppers-mind-1025.html

IMO, the only way to do this is a well built study that collects feedback of "in market" shoppers.

LASTLY: SHOPPERS ARE NOT LINEAR. See The Internet Shopper Experience Chart – DealerRefresh

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Lightenup, you wrote:

"Joe, You stated a couple of times that there are still too many unanswered questions after an online automotive shopper has done their research and price discovery... There is so much specific vehicle information, multiple photos, dealership information, payment calculators, links to advice on buying, financing, leasing, insuring, online credit application, etc., what else is left for the shopper to ask other than, "do you still have the car?" ...."

Roll with me Lightenup, you're on a roll, but, LOOK deeper and ask for all the evidence that would agree with your conclusion(s). I ask you... WHERE ARE THE EAGER BUYERS asking dealers everywhere... "do you still have the car?"

FAIL.

Wipe all your pre-conceptions clean and try to find the "HOLE" in shopping trail. We have to remember that this is CATALOG shopping, not ecommerce shopping. Just like your projection TV example, Catalog shopping end-game is a visit to the physical store. Tracking conversions and optimizing for conversions -without embracing the catalog shoppers needs- is a setup for a fail.

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Michael,

You drive a million visits to dealers web sites yet, you and your dealers HAVE NO IDEA what that means to anyone (including you). There is a big ass disconnect between classified sites and dealer sales and this disconnect is the root of dealer angst.

This post is a mental exercise in how to find leverage points on your platform, create tools to improve the shopper & dealer experience in one move.

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Alex, IMO adding a BOB is BULL. It's simply increasing the visibility of the dealer's link.

The number of visits to dealer sites will rise. Even if the BOB button DOUBLES VDP referral traffic, the it'll still be a tiny part of a dealers overall web traffic.

The Eureka! (BOB) visitor is a HIGH ROI visitor.

#1). Let's toss that visitor a rich offer with a strong call to action that expires quickly!

#2). what of the lack of shopper visibility (which is the CORE problem of AT and Cars)?

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Alex, in the land of unicorns and rainbows, your reply is right on the money. But... my very good friend, you've missed some stuff!

#1). Reps can't interview ups for lead sources without the shopper feeling like they are giving away secrets.

#2). Shoppers who are ups have spent 19hours on sites all over the internet, and have taken weeks and months to become an up. Any interview of an unsold up looking for lead source info is prone to significant error.

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Drew,

I am on vaca, so details won't be rich with data.

#1). All clicks are NOT equal, think conversion funnel, then re-read my work.

#2). Re-look at the Google Analytics referral links, about 60% are from VDPs (aka Eureka! Link referrals).

#3). A VDP referral visit is what I consider VERY VERY rich ROI visitor. (Your example: 165 visitors * 60% = 99 highly motivated Eureka! Link visitors)

#4). On AT/Cars VDP to dealer link, add a "gateway page" with a strong shopper incentive (i.e. coupon with 24hr expiration).

If my instincts are correct, this VDP referral visitor is in the 11th hour and is looking for any excuse to make the commitment to visit the dealer.

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Joe -

You stated a couple of times that there are still too many unanswered questions after an online automotive shopper has done their research and price discovery. I'm curious as to what information you feel a shopper can find on the dealer's website that they would not find in the online listings of a dealer doing a good job merchandising their inventory on ATC or cars.com.

There is so much specific vehicle information, multiple photos, dealership information, payment calculators, links to advice on buying, financing, leasing, insuring, online credit application, etc., what else is left for the shopper to ask other than, "do you still have the car?" And, in the case of a new car, if the dealer doesn't have THAT one, they'll have or can get another one just like it.

A prominent link to the dealer's web site (like ATC's BOB) is a great idea, but I don't believe the lack of such a link inhibits an online shopper from being able to proceed to the transaction step.

Studies have shown that what actually happens when the in-market online car buyer "vanishes" at the transaction step, as you put it, is that nearly 3/4 of them have done all of their online research and are now on their way to the dealership(s) that has the vehicle(s) of their choice. You can't touch, see or "drive" the product before the transaction step of an online air travel purchase, but you can with an automobile and that's the difference.

If I wanted to buy a new 55" flat screen television, I'd go online, do my research, do my price discovery and then.....I'd drive down to Best Buy or whatever retailer carried the TV I wanted so that I could first experience the picture and sound quality - and also make sure there wasn't something else I liked better - before making the transaction. Why would I call or email the store before doing so? I wouldn't, and studies show that most car buyers don't either.

As Alex pointed out, the problem is that most Dealer Principals don't incentivise or make it a condition of employment that salespeople and sales managers ACCURATELY ascertain from walk-in traffic what primarily influenced them to be in that dealership on that day to look at that car. Selecting "Drive by" should require management confirmation to be allowed in the stats.

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As the leader of the Cars.com ad product management team, I’ve found this thread to be very helpful and I want to share some thoughts in terms of how Cars.com facilitates the relationship between buyer and seller. We strongly believe in allowing the consumer multiple ways to contact a seller with multiple entry points to a dealer’s website on vehicle detail pages and within our dealer directory. In fact, each month we generate over 1 million visits to individual dealer sites and we’ve been providing this form of contact to our customers for many years.

Know that we're listening to this feedback as we continually work on improving our product to provide the best car shopping experience for both shoppers and dealers. Driving traffic to your web sites is very valuable for many potential buyers and clearly beneficial to dealers. I’m not certain that it should take precedence over other forms of contact but it is something that we will continue to track and potentially improve.

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I bring this up because Checkered Flag sits in a market with over 100,000 people in that market surfing from behind some significant security (Navy, Army, Marines, Contractors, etc). Anytime we compared clicks between reports there were massive discrepancies.

I don't know where your 5 dealers are that you're looking at Drew, but I agree it is good to see Autotrader making this change.

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