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Is the death of SEO coming soon?

I spent quite a bit of time last fall learning about Social Media as a real marketing implement and I was waiting for this to "happen". Love your take. In my mind, we're so far past the SEO/SEM question now that if a dealership hasn't gotten it dialed, it might not really matter. Just my opinion of course. :)

Is the death of SEO coming soon?

We are approaching a fork in the road for organic search.  Search engines are either going to become more powerful, or they're going to shed enough leaves to make us ask whether sustaining our current investment is sound.

Google released Realtime search, Yahoo and Bing are merging, and facebook is jumping into the search game.  Those are big things, but what do they really mean?  Let's take a few steps back for a minute.

Search engines, traditionally, look for a few things when deciding which website to serve-up in the results:

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These are things that are technically done and can be quite complex depending on who you speak with.  There is a big problem with this model though:  it is highly corruptible.  Not pointing any fingers, but as an example of the corruption, SEO "experts" and "gurus" make their livings by taking advantage of this model.  For the pure fact that this model is corruptible, it will never be the true long-term ruler.  Corruption is one simple and logical reason why we're approaching this fork.

But let's jump down the rabbit hole a little further and talk about social media.  Yes, I know, we're all sick of hearing about how wonderful social media is and blah, blah, blah.  But I would advise you to not stop reading just yet because I'm not here to praise it.  Social Media is not ruled by a technical system.  There is no algorithm for results.  The content is completely provided based on judgement by the people you have chosen to hear from.

Want to buy something?  Ask your friends on facebook what they think.  That is a lot trustier than some review from a stranger you might find on Yelp after being directed there by Google.

This is technology simply getting to the roots of human nature.  We place more value on the things we hear from people we know.  And we seek that higher-valued system over any other.  The big search engines see this and they're trying to position themselves to have a future by reorganizing and adding new features.

To all our DealerRefresh readers I am sorry to say that we have watched the plight of the newspaper, the radio, we'll see the drop of TV ads as we know them today, and we're starting to find that this other advertising source we are just beginning to really capitalize on could find itself as an advertising "has-been".  We are approaching a fork in the road.

The fork might be closer than I'm letting on....

From the Nielsen Wire on Top U.S. search sites for July 2010:

The number of searches conducted in the U.S. over the last year has decreased by 16% from 10.5 billion in July 2009 to 8.8 billion in July 2010. MSN/Windows Live/Bing was the only one of the top three engines to have experienced an increase in search volume – a 28% increase from 0.9 billion to 1.2 billion.

Why do you think this is?

Cars.com Extends License Agreement with Contact At Once!,

Cars.com And Contact At Once! Launches New Mobile Chat Application

ATLANTA, GA – August 27, 2010 – Contact At Once!, a leading provider of live chat software for car dealerships, today announced that Cars.com has extended their license of the ContactAtOnce! live chat software including a mobile chat application. ContactAtOnce! has been powering the dealers chat service available to all franchise and independent dealers advertising on Cars.com since

January 2009. The new mobile chat application will make it possible for dealers to answer chat leads from “smart phone” mobile devices, helping to convert more prospects into sales.

“Mobile chat allows salespeople to be more responsive to shoppers' inquiries, even if they've stepped away from their desk," said Michael Page, Cars.com vice president of advertising products. "Dealers can respond at shoppers' convenience, giving them the information they need to take the next step toward a purchase. With the popularity of smartphones in the store, dealers can use this capability to enhance their customer service and sell more cars."

Data collected by Cars.com has shown that online car shoppers are more likely to contact a car dealership from advertisements that include presence-aware chat. As well, in its 2009 Dealer Chat Consumer Survey, Cars.com found that 67% of online shoppers who initiated a chat conversation with a dealer planned to purchase a vehicle within 30 days.

“Dealers appreciate the benefits of live chat because it magnifies the value they receive from their advertising dollars,” said John Hanger, CEO of Contact At Once!. “Consumers like live chat too because it is a convenient and immediate means of contacting a dealership to ask questions and set appointments. Cars.com was quick to appreciate these dynamics and we’re honored that they’ve chosen to extend and expand our partnership.”

Cars.com dealers interested in adding live chat software to their listings or taking advantage of the new mobile chat for car dealers application should contact their Cars.com sales representative.

About Cars.com

Cars.com is the leading destination for online car shoppers, offering credible, easy-to-understand information from consumers and experts to help buyers formulate opinions on what to buy, where to buy and how much to pay for a car. With comprehensive pricing information, side-by-side comparison tools, photo galleries, videos, unbiased editorial content and a large selection of new- and used-car inventory,

Cars.com puts millions of car buyers in control of their shopping process with the information they need to make confident buying decisions. Launched in June 1998, Cars.com is a division of Classified Ventures, LLC, which is owned by leading media companies, including Belo (NYSE: BLC), Gannett Co., Inc. (NYSE: GCI), The McClatchy Company (NYSE: MNI), Tribune Company and The Washington Post Company (NYSE: WPO).

About Live Chat Software for Car Dealerships Provider Contact At Once!, LLC:

Contact At Once! is the leading provider of industry-specific live chat software and presence-aware networks for the automotive, apartment, and real estate industries with over 10,000 active users. Adding ContactAtOnce! live chat software to a website typically improves the conversion of website lookers into conversations and appointments by at least 25%. The presence-aware networks powered by ContactAtOnce! connect businesses to the media websites on which they advertise, increasing the effectiveness of online ads while providing consumers with a better online experience. ContactAt Once! is headquartered in Atlanta and more information can be found at www.contactatonce.com.

Is Your Dealers SEO Being Hijacked?

Rob, this is a great post and brings up a growing concern over content distribution. SEO has become a frenzy of distribution without control. Dealers have been convinced if you "vomit" all over the web it will be great for SEO. The downside is exactly what you're talking about.

Keep your eye on the ball - your website.

Is Your Dealers SEO Being Hijacked?

Well it seems like this issue may best be addressed by the search engines. Years back when people learned of the white on white trick they enjoyed results for a time by stealing competitive urls and embedding them in their own pages.

Once this was discovered, the search engines hammered these people.

Scraping twitter content and such may or may not justify the effort to do so, but from my chair it appears the only means to this end. Any other ideas out there?

Is Your Dealers SEO Being Hijacked?

Wasn't the Google Realtime search website put up to test and tweak what realtime search results could and should look like? Though it wasn't clearly stated, Google themselves stated that they finally gave realtime search it's own home. Does that mean that they didn't like it built into their main search rankings? I wonder if they will ever make it known to the average internet searcher that this even exists. I still think that for now, and hopefully for a while, Google's realtime search will stay in it's own home until it's more useful. For now 99% of people just go to Google.com and search.

Is Your Dealers SEO Being Hijacked?

Since Google began testing “Realtime Search,” we have seen several incarnations including a scrolling area on the main search page. With the announcement last week of the new “Realtime Search,” I found a renewed interest in the possibilities of another strong source of SEO. What I discovered left me scratching my head and consequently consumed a larger part of my morning than I had to spare. My SEO and content was being hijacked!

What I found on the “Realtime Search” updates page was a list of threads all from Twitter. Some I recognized, but some were a bit disturbing. We use a lot of video at our dealerships and I have known for a long time that our online video content was being scraped for use on other non-related sites. It never really bothered me because even though the sites using it had their own agenda, they were generally rogue video sites that appeared to be harmless. Besides, the video was there and the headline was the same, so it added to our SERP.

What I discovered after drilling down into the “Realtime Search” results was that the parties that are scraping our videos are also tweeting the video titles on their own Twitter accounts. After further examination, I found that the hijackers were also using press release titles.

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Twitter accounts like "ciela79" reveal a collection of random tweets resembling the bar scene from “Total Recall.” Here you see a Tweets using Amazon.com and a Seattle Nissan Dealers PRLog press release title. Every tweet on the page includes a tinyurl that leads to a banner ad rich site called Askbiography.com. There, they use an excerpt from the press release or video description. I imagine that the bounce rate must be astronomical, but I am also sure that they are getting click throughs or they wouldn’t go through all this trouble.

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Other Twitter accounts like use-car-reviews.com and divorcecertificate.us (or how to catch your mate cheating) were tweeting titles to our video and press release headlines and including a link to their own sites. These sites are essentially pirating our SEO Content efforts by using already optimized content to lead search results to their own banner ad crammed sites.

This method of “SEO Piracy” is creating the very real possibility that your customers’ search results could lead them to a site that not only isn’t yours, but could contain any type of content. Let’s face it, the average person doesn’t understand how Google works; they just know that it does.

So has the combination of Twitter and Google “Realtime Search” made it easier for these “SEO Pirates” to use your optimized content to steal search results?

If so, what can be done about it?

It appears the same type of people that turned MySpace into a cesspool and attempt link building on our blogs have found a new venue to exploit. We all know that in search, content is king. Now it appears that the king had better keep an eye on his gold.

Any thoughts?

Owyang Joins Line-up Focused on Innovating Dealership Profit Centers in Recovery Economy

Salt Lake City, Utah – August 18, 2010 – DrivingSales.com (www.drivingsales.com), the automotive industry’s largest car dealer social network, today announced that renowned social media analyst, blogger and web strategist Jeremiah Owyang will keynote the second annual DrivingSales Executive Summit (DSES) presented with WardsAuto.com scheduled for October 18th through 20th, 2010 at the Encore Wynn Las Vegas.

“Jeremiah is renowned for his passion for helping companies communicate with the web and for his innovative and trail-blazing approach to social media – and the web in general,” said DrivingSales CEO and Founder Jared Hamilton. “He knows how to make new media relevant and actionable for businesses. His focus on integrating customer/community needs, business objectives, and technology is particularly relevant to the goal of the summit, which is to leverage innovative practices and technology to enhance dealership profit centers.”

Owyang is currently a partner at Altimeter Group, which provides thought leadership, research, and consulting on digital strategies. He is author of the popular blog Web Strategy, whichfocuses on how corporations connect with their customers using web technologies. Web Strategy is read by 70,000 unique visitors monthly, ranked 27th in Ad Age’s “Power 150” top blogs, and is one of the top 1,000 globally, according to Technorati. A former industry analyst who is sought after for his commentary, Owyang writes a regular column for the Forbes CMO network, has appeared on Bloomberg TV and is quoted in the Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, USA Today, Associated Press and other technology and business related publications. He was featured in the 2009 “Who’s Who” in the Silicon Valley Business Journal. As a speaker he has keynoted the Internet Strategy Forum, Web 2.0 Expo, SXSW, among others.

The DrivingSales Executive Summit presented with WardsAuto.com is a uniquely

collaborative event modeled after the best practices sharing among dealership professionals on DrivingSales.com.  The event brings together the most successful and innovative dealers in the country, along with world-renowned speakers, all to focus on dealership innovations and profitability. Unlike other automotive industry events, the DrivingSales Executive Summit is 100% dealer driven and designed specifically for the most progressive dealer principals and dealership executives in the industry.

The DrivingSales Executive Summit will be held at the Encore Ballroom, in the Encore Wynn Las Vegas October 18th - October 20th, 2010.  For more information about the conference, visit: DrivingSalesExecutiveSummit.com or contact [email protected].  Follow conference news as it develops on www.twitter.com/ drivingsales using #DSES and on facebook.com/drivingsales.

About DrivingSales.com

DrivingSales.com (www.drivingsales.com) is the largest car dealer social network where thousands of dealership professionals collaborate and share best practices in a 20-group style setting. The site is the industry’s largest source of free dealership best practices information.

At DrivingSales, members create profiles, network with each other and share best practices. Dealership managers are allowed to rate and review their dealership vendors in a verified setting. DrivingSales hosts the largest retail focused community of automotive blogs, videos, interviews, social automotive news feeds and more.

DrivingSales was created and built from the ground up in 2003 by Jared Hamilton, a third generation auto dealer, as a private automotive business community to network his NADA Dealer Candidate Academy class.  The site opened nationally in 2008 and is the industry’s leading automotive social media custom platform.  DrivingSales was named one of ten social media gambits for 2009 by Automotive News and one of the Top 10 Companies to Watch by Auto Success Magazine.

The Dealership Hiring Dilemma

@Erika Jones honestly having 2 days off a week sounds appealing and if I was in the area could be a convincing factor to make me come on over. After being in this business for 6 years its no longer about chasing the all mighty dollar (don't get me wrong I enjoy those $20,000 pay checks and still go after them) however I also want a life.

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Believe or not, they ARE in Michigan! I've called for dealer trades and they're only open late one night per week (if any)! Some aren't open on Saturdays either. Indiana has a law against a new car dealer selling a car on Sundays. SOME places "get" it. Here in Greater Cincinnati, we have about 25 just FORD dealers....

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Mike,

Thanks for the compliments, I really appreciate that.

The fact that you came back and replied to every single comment here certainly speaks highly of your interest to find a real answer to this problem.

Ironically, I believe the answer is much simpler than we expect.

Make everything predictable from the sales experience to the service experience and that will take away any hesitation one may have in doing business with a dealer.

At that point it is simply facilitating the sale and ensuring that needs are met and followed up much like how you did here in this post.

The more we complicate the process with unclear processes and inaccurate estimations the less confidence one has and trust has been comprimised.

However, having a relationship with a customer prior to them coming to the dealer means that trust has been established and I would imagine the deal closes much faster.

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Thanks for all your replies. Sorry I haven't commented on them, but I've been busy training a bunch of new hires.

Matt

I'm from the Detroit area, and at one time all our domestic dealership used to be closed on Saturday and Sunday. It really was nice to have every weekend off. But then the imports came in and opened on Saturday, so slowly but surely the domestics followed. I'm sure in order to go back to those days, all the dealerships would have to go into collusion, which you know won't happen. Thanks for the reply.

Arnold

Stress certainly is a problem, especially with manufacturers cutting dealership profits and the economy being what it is. But those that make it are the ones who "run their business like a business" and plan for how they want their business to be 5 and 10 years from when they start.

Ed

You're right about the way we incentivize, compensate, and motivate folks not working. Many Managers I've seen truly do not know how to motivate their staff. They rely on the "self-motivation" concept. But I think we've all learned that in order to have motivation work, and individual has to want make the necessary changes to reach another level of sales. But as Managers, all we can do is keep trying and hope that some of it takes. Thanks for the info on the video.

Wendi

For those of you who don't know Wendi, she is the consummate "Hiring" expert. She has written a book on hiring that has received wide acclaim both inside and outside of our industry. And you're right about hiring the right management to develop their people. Often salespeople are just thrown on the floor to sink or swim. Keep preaching the word Wendi!

Angela

You keep trying to figure things out. It will take a huge effort from everyone in this industry, but first, they'll need to realize there is a real problem here. Keep thinking about it.

Alex

These tools you speak of are definitely helpful. But I'll go into dealership that have these tools and ask questions like, "do you keep statistics? And they'll respond yes, we keep statistics on just about everything. Then I'll ask, "what are you doing with them? And they'll respond, "nothing!" Many dealerships don't take to change very easily. But those that realize that the internet and tools is their next step sales and profitability, the better off they'll be.

Scott

I really like your comment. It was professional and well thought out. I tell salespeople all the time that selling skills alone will not take a salesperson from one level to the next. It's all of the things around selling skills that they have to do. Tony Robbins said, "successful people do all the things unsuccessful people don't want to do." Isn't that true! Keep writing Scott, you do it well.

Debra

I think salespeople need two days off in a row also. We work in such a "high rejection" business that the mind and body need to recoup. I'm glad you have a plan that works for you and your dealership.

Joe

I haven't had a chance to watch that video yet, but when I do, I'll give you a special comment.

Shawn

I feel for you Shawn. No one should have to work that many hours and not have a life outside the dealership. I hope you don't burn out. BTW, I only used the 50-60 example because that's what that Manager said. I know there's tons of salespeople and managers who work a lot more than that. Take care of yourself.

Erika

Congratulations on finding a system that works. We had a dealership here in the Detroit market that got rid of all by 5 of their top salespeople, got rid of all but one of their Sales Managers, and got rid of the Finance Manager, invested in computer technology, got everyone Blackberry's so they could answer phone-ups on the lot, gave them all the tools to do their jobs easier and better, and increased sales and profits with over half his staff gone. I like the way you take care of your people. It was a great comment and I hope you keep writing.

Thanks again to all who commented.

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We used to struggle with this but now have a plan that works. As of last month, we are closed Sunday and Monday. Ok, my competitors are open but you know what I have attracted the best talent in the valley so my salespeople will outsell them any day. My people come back refreshed and happy because they got some time with thier family that they work so hard for. By the way, this idea came from a salesperson which most other dealerships I know would never ask the employees what they wanted, why not? Not all of the ideas are bad. Has it affected sales? Nope, up 37% on the year and keep climbing. We do a potluck lunch every Saturday and we really enjoy each other as a team. The pay plan is a flat on every car because most of our deals are sub-prime and they take A LOT of work. We give them time off when they need it and don't make them feel bad about it. No one has taken advantage of this either. Our salespeople are happy and we have people from other lots wanting to come on board just to have the freedom to have a life. If you want to say you are going to hire sales professionals then treat them as such and listen to what they say. You don't have to do what they say, but some ideas might just suprise you!

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Mike,

The only part about your post I disagree with are the hours..

50-60?

Most people at my dealership work 60-70, and the managers are doing bell/bell (8AM-10PM) 6 days, I had 97 hours last week.

It's a horrible situation to be in, and I am trying to hire the right people so the work load can be distributed.. But for now its: Wake up, go to work, come home, go to sleep -

This is literally my life. My one day off I spend catching up on rest.

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I think the best solution is a rotation schedule. One week on 40 with two days off in a row and the following week 50-60 with one day off. People need two days off in a row. Another solution is to maximize hours the dealership is open cutting back on hours on days that are slow and expanding on days that tend to be busier. I know at our dealership Tuesday & Thursday evenings we could close earlier without much impact to business at all. This out of the box a little also by having your salespeople actually work their client base more efficiently I know we lose business as Sales does not follow their clients well enough.

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Great article.

I believe the solution is to *not* hire any sales professionals at your car dealership.

The whole sales department needs to evolve into the building relationships department so your dealership knows who's coming and when to buy a car.

There is a great book called The Referral Engine that should be required reading for dealerships wanting to understand the most effective way to sell cars. It basically says that when you refer others and build your network people regard you as a valuable resource.

Also, every salesperson should communicate online - have an individual fan page, specialize in a particular model or class of vehicles, or even target a demographic and learn how to communicate with these groups.

Want to sell electric vehicles - post information about them online, pictures, pdfs, brochures, etc. Answer questions, pose questions on forums, etc.

Want to sell high performance vehicles - take some videos at the track with the car, hold real wrench sessions at the dealer, bring in known racers or local engine builders and hold an exclusive event.

Give The Sales Professional A Purpose

Create a senior sales professional level and only give this position to one person per dealership. This position would be considered to have "Congressional Medal of Honor" type status. This person is someone who has researched every name in the dealership CRM and determined which customers have blogs, on Twitter, and could potentially influence their audience.

This senior sales professional should only be required to keep 10 relationships with influencers because these influencers have audiences, they could be radio show hosts, or big local bloggers, etc. The main role of this position would be to network, and introduce, refer, interview or be interviewed, etc.

When anyone comes in to the dealership from their network its by appointment, and because they were invited there is a specific agenda which includes meeting the heads of each department, before even looking at the cars. Then when its time to look at the cars they're all presented in a row, each model from base to loaded and they can walk from one to the next.

Now, what happens when other people browsing the dealership? They are curious, and want to know why this person is getting the red carpet treatment. And the response, "these are people active in social media - bloggers - influencers so to speak" and they want to give them a remarkable experience.

They get to join us in our suite at a baseball or hockey game, they can come to all our premier events and annual parties.

Word will quickly get out and soon this dealership will become the dealer of choice for local bloggers and influencers.

When this person who's been exposed to this leaves the dealership, they'll have something very visual to take with them. Perhaps they have a blog and decide not only will they buy a car but they'll want to refer others.

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Mike - fantastic article!

It is definitely one of those "tell me something I don't know" things, but it is also nice to see it in writing. And you did a great job on writing it.

We are going to have to change. Either we will have to adapt the one-price approach and accept a regular merchant's employment model (Best Buy, Sears, etc) or start putting more emphasis into our current model.

The Internet is fueling accountability through online reviews, social media chatter, and simple individual empowerment. Our vendors are supplying tools, like CRM, that help us to understand where we are falling short. I believe that these things are going to significantly change the current model for better or worse.

Thanks again Mike!

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Mike Mike Mike! Dead on-

Problem is that until we stop looking for the pixie dust in pay plans, benefit packages, hours and perks and look and are prepared to get honest with ourselves we will keep doing what we have been doing- (the insanity saying applies here)

The solution is to make sure that we hire, place and hold accountable MANAGEMENT in a dealership- and not just accountability on the $$$$ but accountability from management to make sure that they are truly managing and developing their people.

When was the last time you were in a store where they had such a process in place? 1 out of 10 has been my experience.

People primarily do not leave jobs because of pay, hours and benefits- people leave jobs because of PEOPLE- THEIR SUPERVISORS AND MANAGERS...we attract what we attract less than desirable applicants because we have defined ourselves as an industry that will hire just about anyone- therefore just about anyone applies. They are then treated like the "anyone" they believe themselves to be and the "anyone" we will hire. Vicious nasty cycle. Treatment of people ( and the poor way in which we have done it) is what has made our stores in most cases a dreaded experience for buyers and unfortunately a less than desirable place to work for professional qualified employees.

Body Rule For Hiring:

If you hire "anybody" and treat them like a "nobody" it affects "everybody"!

Until we take a look at this and make the necessary changes from the top on down we will be struggling with this

Nice to see you here Mike!

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I watch/listen to at least one TED talk(TED.com)a day. There’s an article in this month’s Fast Company about TED that you can check out online http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/148/how-ted-b.... Their website is subtitled, “Riveting talks by remarkable people, free to the world”. The goal is an 18 minute presentation. Some go a little longer and some are shorter. They tend to take up my lunch break.

There was a great talk on the science of motivation from career analyst Dan Pink. I’m re-listening to it in the background as I type.

The point is, the way we incentivize, compensate, and motivate folks in the car business has been proven NOT to work. Scientifically proven not to work.

The examples Mr. Pink gives don’t correlate all that well with the car business. If you watch the video you’ll find that where there is a clear cut process, rewards work fairly well. Anytime you’re asking for thought, for things like developing new processes, our traditional reward system doesn’t work nearly as well.

I don’t pretend to know the answer and I’m not sure if the answer can be found in Mr. Pink’s video. I do know that it gives tremendous food for thought.

http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/dan_pink_on_mot...

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